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End of warranty period

Alzibiff

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Location
North Manchester
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Pump
The 4 year warranty on my Medtronic Veo runs out at the end of May and contrary to what I was told when I first went onto the pump after 42 years of MDI, I have been told by my consultant and DSN that the PCT will not be replacing it. I have yet to get a reply to my letter asking about support arrangements post-warranty but I believe that at the four year point, the PCT do some sort of MOT on the pump and if it passes - things carry on as they were ..... apart from not having support from the manufacturer.

This is worrying.

Over the last year, my pump has been replaced twice by Medtronic. The first time because I reported a crack in the plastic case close to the battery screw-in cover. This was by no means an emergency but the pump was dispatched on the same day and received by my PCT at one of their hospitals the day after. (For some reason, my PCT insist that all pumps are delivered to themselves so that they can be tested). The second replacement was three months later which makes me think that replacements are NOT new pumps but ones of a similar age which have been repaired. (Makes commercial sense). The second time was more dramatic as when I came to replace the infusion set, I got a "MOTOR ERROR" which could not be solved over the telephone at 8am on a Saturday morning by the very helpful offshore Medtronic team. Problem - back to syringes, drawing up insulin from the vials which I use for my pump. (I didn't have any Levemir as I didn't think I would ever need it again!). Thinking that the weekend would be a total disaster and that I would be faced with more telephone calls come Monday morning, I was very pleasantly surprised to get a call from Medtronics in the UK a couple of hours later. Big smiles and total relief when I was told that Medtronic were going to send me a replacement pump by courier and that I should have it within 6 hours. WHAT BRILLIANT SERVICE! The replacement pump duly arrives four hours later and the broken one collected.

This is how it should be shouldn't it? As said, I am waiting to hear from my PCT what support will be available once the warranty has expired but for goodness sake, my current pump will need replacement at some stage - why not once the warranty has ended rather than waiting for the pump to fail and cause all sorts of problems and kerfuffle? Yes, I know the PCT are strapped for cash but I doubt that anybody has actually done the sums and calculated how much such a policy is going to save if they take into account the extra costs of dealing with an inevitable emergency let alone the loss of peace of mind and worry.

Alan
 
Hi Alizibiff,
this is my understanding of things I suppose it varies from company to company and pct to pct. I got my animas pump in June 2008, it's now Jan 2013 and I havn't had it replaced from the pct yet but that's only because I've moved and am in between funding. I too have had my pump replaced a few times. I think the 4 year warranty applies to a pump that's been in continual use for 4 years, all the replacements I've had have been new I know this because originally I was bought a 2010 then had it replaced with a 2012 now I've got a 2020, all because I've had problems with the pump manufacturer wise not cause i've done stuff too it. From what I understand talking to the pump rep each pump has an inbuilt timer which will stop working after 4 years because it's a medical instrument if in continual use it has a limited time use attached to it most being 4 years although my old d-tron had only 2 years however it still works if I need it but only because the battery is removed and it's only if there's something wrong with my 2020 that I would use it so it's still got plenty of time left. otherwise all the support etc that i get from the company is still there even though i'm not completely sure who pays for consumables etc and being nearly 5 years with animas. Here's hoping that my pump will break again and this time I'll get upgraded to a vibe with cgm compatibility. I hope that reassures you.
 
" I hope that reassures you."
Sorry but not really! The Medtronic pump does not (as far as I know) have a time limit as you describe for the Animas device. As I said, the replacements are not - as far as I can tell - new, they are repaired/refurbished units which are provided as part of the terms of the 4 year guarantee. After that time - there will be no Medtronic support and why should there be - the company is a commercial outfit after all.

Alan
 
I had my Medtronic pump replaced after 4 years with a new veo by the dsn/ hospital. Luckily, the pct are very good and as long as you stick to the targets we set together, they will replace them.
I went for another Medtronic even though I had a few problems with the previous units. I had the motor fail message to. But mine was just out of warranty as the hospital didn't register the date it was given to me, only the date they purchased it.
That meant I had to have a loan unit for the last couple of months & I had to send that unit back.
The other people who had them changed at the same time as me got to keep theirs as backup units.
In the first four years, I had to change the unit 3 times. First, after 1 week as it wasn't putting out sound or vibration.
The second was because of error messages that kept appearing & the third because of the motor fail.
I'm still happy with the Medtronic though. Wouldn't give it back.
Have you asked them why they won't replace it?


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Hi again Alzibaff,
Sorry I didn't explain myself very clearly, reassure was probably not the best phrase to use. What I meant was the warranty lasts for 4 continual years even if it is a newly refurbished pump instead of brand new, for the pump company to issue it to you it would have to pass all the tests set by the government for medical equipment in continuous use. This would then give another 4 years of warranty garunteed by the company. The pump company don't make all that much profit on the actual pump it's the consumables where the mega bucks are, so therefore they'll try and do everything they can to keep you on one of their model pumps using their accessories and consumables.

Anyway I'm putting this theory to the test at present my pump has developed a crack down the side of the battery casing and I need a new one I'm almost a year over the orginal warranty but 2 years into warranty of another replacement that I've had. I've spoken to the support team in USA (you get diverted from the UK after a certain hour of the day) and she has said she will contact the UK people to get a pump sent out tomorrow. If they say no I'll let you know. But the only way to find out about medtronic warranty is to call them and explain what your PCT want to do and ask will they still support you. I don't think that the pump company would be very happy with your local PCT opening up and doing anything mechanical to it that may well void any warranty that's left on the pump.
Laura
 
Just an update,
a new animas vibe has been dispatched and should arrive with me tomorrow lunch time snow permitting! When I talked to the company I never mentioned the warranty just incase but it wasn't even an issue. I never thought I would be happy to have my pump break but this means I have the latest model that connects to a cgm which is very exciting and will help my differnt control problems no end thanks very much Animas very pleased with the excellent customer service.
 
Laura.
"This would then give another 4 years of warranty garunteed by the company." - I don't believe that this is true and does not make commercial sense. The company provide a guarantee that the pump they supply will be supported for four years. If it fails before this period is up, they replace it with something - whether this is new or refurbished who knows - but once four years has passed from the initial supply, there is no reason for them to support it any longer. Indeed - when my pump failed and I spoke to Medtronic, I was told by each of the two people I spoke to that my pump was in warranty until May of this year. This follows a replacement (because of a cracked case) last August. A brand new unit can be expected to run for at least 4 years - those refurbished/repaired following failure, not so.
Conversations I have had since my original post confirm my position - at the end of the warranty peiod, the PCT do a sort of test on my current "out of warranty" pump. If it passes - and why should it not pass? - I continue to use it until it fails. At this point they will then consider replacement. (Not good - like the MOT test for cars, any test only indicates that the device is good "on the day").
My argument is simply this - they are going to replace it sooner or later, why not when the warranty period ends so that they can eliminate all the telephone calls, my problems and their administration costs when the pump I have at the moment give up the ghost. Yes - the consumables are where the big profits come in but the companies still make a charge for the pumps which my particular PCT want to delay replacing.
Alan
 
Alan is correct - the warranty commences on the first day and it does not matter how many times the unit has been replaced, the warranty finishes at the end of the initial offered period, in this case 4 years from initial date of supply.

The point of the warranty is that they will fix or replace - but only within the terms of the initial warranty - its never extended (unless you can prove that you lost use due to poor design then you might get the "lost use" time added on).
 
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