EU - In or Out + Poll.

[Sable_Jan]

While I understand it and might benefit from it myself, sooooo much money is locked up it is hardly surprising interest rates are so low... no one is spending like they did.
and I laugh when I hear about neg equity.... why should it always rise... I know, there are not enough houses in the desirable locations...

You would expect it to rise in line with inflation.. if nothing more ... But as with any commodity it's "worth" is what the buyer is willing to pay for it.....

 

[Administrator]

The poll is so tight!

 

[Lynbarn]

I honestly think that by now most people will be entranced one way or the other, this could be down to the floating voters and if the weather is wet, windy and cold, then a lot of people won't bother to go and vote once they get home.

 

[tim2000s]

The poll is so tight!

What's fascinating is that the poll reveals a lot about the forum population. Another forum I participate on is much more in favour of remain.

I'd guess it also has a much younger population.


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[KevinPotts]

What's fascinating is that the poll reveals a lot about the forum population. Another forum I participate on is much more in favour of remain.

I'd guess it also has a much younger population.


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Does feel like that.


Diagnosed 13/4/16: T2, no meds, HbA1c 53, FBG 12.6, Trigs 3.6, HDL .75, LDL 4.0, BP 169/95, BPM 85, 13st 8lbs, waist 34" (2012 - 17st 7lbs, w 42").

16/6/16: FBG AV 4.6, Trigs 1.5, HDL 2.0, LDL 3.0, BP 112/68, BPM 6O, 11st 5lbs, waist 30", PWV 7.0. Lifelong migraines and hay fever gone.

Regime: 25g LCHF, run 1 mile daily, weekly fasting, occasionally longer fasts.

 

[KevinPotts]

I've had another round of deep thinking ...well not that deep really... about IN/OUT whilst on hols this week.

So let's say Friday morning at 7AM the decision is OUT...Leave... What does it mean?

I know, I know you all think "Potts has finally lost it, he's gone bonkers" as Leave means exactly what it says in the tin!

Does it?

Leave triggers a 2 years negotiation to fulfil the democratic wishes of the people. Emmmm.

So what will that negotiation involve?

Well it will involve deciding what Leave means...seriously!

Do we step OUT completely and entirely and follow a World Trade Organisation model, negotiating our own trade agreements...maybe.

This is the nearest expression of what most of the population will think of when we say LEAVE.

But of course at the end of the 2 years negotiation with Europe, the negotiated agreement will have to go through our parliament for approval.

So with a Conservative government with a majority of just 13, is it likely that Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and 50% of the Cons (all of whom wanted to Remain) will agree to this definition of Leave....doubtful. So that negotiated version of Leave of very well struggle to be approved.

Or we could end up at the end of 2 years with a multitude of variations upon what Leave means.

Nearly all the rest will include access to the Single Market or a variant... And guess what that will involve...a LARGE financial contribution from the UK to Europe and a commitment to the FREE MOVEMENT of people, but without any say... We will have Left.

How will parliament feel about getting one of those options approved?

Well I think begrudgingly , Labour, SNP, Lib Dems and 50% of Cons will approve it.

But the rest of the electorate, we'll be confused and angry and could there be blood on the streets? I don't know, but I can envisage some irreparable fault lines occurring in party politics.

So my friends... Just chewing the fat ... If we Leave... If we are OUT Friday morning, what does that mean?


Diagnosed 13/4/16: T2, no meds, HbA1c 53, FBG 12.6, Trigs 3.6, HDL .75, LDL 4.0, BP 169/95, BPM 85, 13st 8lbs, waist 34" (2012 - 17st 7lbs, w 42").

16/6/16: FBG AV 4.6, Trigs 1.5, HDL 2.0, LDL 3.0, BP 112/68, BPM 6O, 11st 5lbs, waist 30", PWV 7.0. Lifelong migraines and hay fever gone.

Regime: 25g LCHF, run 1 mile daily, weekly fasting, occasionally longer fasts.

 

[hankjam]

I've had another round of deep thinking ...well not that deep really... about IN/OUT whilst on hols this week.

So let's say Friday morning at 7AM the decision is OUT...Leave... What does it mean?

I know, I know you all think "Potts has finally lost it, he's gone bonkers" as Leave means exactly what it says in the tin!

Does it?

Leave triggers a 2 years negotiation to fulfil the democratic wishes of the people. Emmmm.

So what will that negotiation involve?

Well it will involve deciding what Leave means...seriously!

Do we step OUT completely and entirely and follow a World Trade Organisation model, negotiating our own trade agreements...maybe.

This is the nearest expression of what most of the population will think of when we say LEAVE.

But of course at the end of the 2 years negotiation with Europe, the negotiated agreement will have to go through our parliament for approval.

So with a Conservative government with a majority of just 13, is it likely that Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and 50% of the Cons (all of whom wanted to Remain) will agree to this definition of Leave....doubtful. So that negotiated version of Leave of very well struggle to be approved.

Or we could end up at the end of 2 years with a multitude of variations upon what Leave means.

Nearly all the rest will include access to the Single Market or a variant... And guess what that will involve...a LARGE financial contribution from the UK to Europe and a commitment to the FREE MOVEMENT of people, but without any say... We will have Left.

How will parliament feel about getting one of those options approved?

Well I think begrudgingly , Labour, SNP, Lib Dems and 50% of Cons will approve it.

But the rest of the electorate, we'll be confused and angry and could there be blood on the streets? I don't know, but I can envisage some irreparable fault lines occurring in party politics.

So my friends... Just chewing the fat ... If we Leave... If we are OUT Friday morning, what does that mean?


Diagnosed 13/4/16: T2, no meds, HbA1c 53, FBG 12.6, Trigs 3.6, HDL .75, LDL 4.0, BP 169/95, BPM 85, 13st 8lbs, waist 34" (2012 - 17st 7lbs, w 42").

16/6/16: FBG AV 4.6, Trigs 1.5, HDL 2.0, LDL 3.0, BP 112/68, BPM 6O, 11st 5lbs, waist 30", PWV 7.0. Lifelong migraines and hay fever gone.

Regime: 25g LCHF, run 1 mile daily, weekly fasting, occasionally longer fasts.

A dog's dinner?

 

[Lynbarn]

Hi Kevin, without wishing to be a total cynic but my best guess will be a typical political fudge and that we still won't have a clear understanding of just what it is we have been able to do after two years.

It may well be possible for us to tear up all the political red tape only to find that it has been replaced by our own versions.

All the so called facts and figures which have been used in the past few weeks may all fall apart as we really don't know what will happen.

 

[tim2000s]

All the so called facts and figures which have been used in the past few weeks may all fall apart as we really don't know what will happen.

This has been the issue all along. No-one can say what Leave means.

It either means negotiated exit then years of uncertainty tiring up trade deals across Europe and the world, or years of uncertainty and an outcome that half the people voting for leave don't want.

Either way, the only sure thing is the uncertainty.

Remain isn't necessarily a vote for certainty either, as there are clear indicators of what is being planned, but at least in that case, we have get out clauses and an escape plan, and both the EU and the U.K. have some idea of what that means!




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[britishpub]

I read a quote from Michael Gove last week talking about the negotiations possibly taking up to 5 years to complete. I realise that is longer than the Treaty permits, but it must be a likely result of a leave vote.

I think anyone voting leave and expecting anything noticeable to happen in the short term will be badly disappointed.


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[KevinPotts]

Hi Kevin, without wishing to be a total cynic but my best guess will be a typical political fudge and that we still won't have a clear understanding of just what it is we have been able to do aft er two years.

It may well be possible for us to tear up all the political red tape only to find that it has been replaced by our own versions.

All the so called facts and figures which have been used in the past few weeks may all fall apart as we really don't know what will happen.

Probably quite true


DIAGNOSED: 13/4/16: T2, no meds, HbA1c 53, FBG 12.6, Trigs 3.6, HDL .75, LDL 4.0, BP 169/95, BPM 85, 13st 8lbs, waist 34" (2012 - 17st 7lbs, w 42").

UPDATE: 16/6/16: FBG AV 4.6, Trigs 1.5, HDL 2.0, LDL 3.0, BP 112/68, BPM 6O, 11st 5lbs, waist 30", PWV 7.0. Lifelong migraines and hay fever gone.

Regime: 25g LCHF, run 1 mile daily, weekly fasting, occasionally longer fasts.

 

[britishpub]

I am sure we can think of hundreds of things in our every day lives that are influenced by the EU and its rules, regulations and directives.

As @Clivethedrive will tell you he is driving a Coach that has a speed limiter installed set at 100kph, as per EU directive 92/24/EEC and his driving day and hours are governed by EU/561/2006.

What happens if we leave the EU ?

Somebody will have to decide what rules to follow, either keep them the same, or change them or have no rules at all.

There will be thousands of pieces of legislation required to be decided upon, drafted by civil servants and then debated and voted on by parliament.

It will take years and cost billions to implement.


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[Lynbarn]

What no one has said (unless I have missed it) and it is this. What happens if we vote to stay in, but with in a matter of months the whole EU thing falls apart, would we have put all our eggs into the one basket (case).

Should that happen would we get dragged in to a much bigger EU bailout, while each country reverts back to their own currency?

I read somewhere years ago that if any one country wanted to leave the Euro then it could take up to six months for that country to produce enough of there own currency before they could pull out.

Can anyone imagine what that would do to the World financial markets and us as part of the EU?

 

[tim2000s]

What no one has said (unless I have missed it) and it is this. What happen if we vote to stay in, but with in a matter of months the whole EU thing falls apart, would we have put all our eggs into the one basket (case).

Should that happen would we get dragged in to a much bigger EU bailout, while each country reverts back to their own currency?

Based on what I've read, leaving would be more likely to precipitate that collapse than staying in.

Should there be Euro issues, the U.K. will not be bailing out any Euro countries as we fought hard for a law that means non-Euro countries do not pay for Euro countries. That is enshrined in European law, not the discussion that took place between David Cameron and other EU leaders earlier this year.




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[Catlady19]

What's fascinating is that the poll reveals a lot about the forum population. Another forum I participate on is much more in favour of remain.

I'd guess it also has a much younger population.


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Interesting. My local area pole, which contains people of all ages, seems heavily leave.

 

[Brillpaul]

I'm out.


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[ickihun]

Benefits get paid to individuals these days....Not direct to landlords.....just thought I'd say, it's not relevant to the debate

Unless tenants are vunerable! @Sable_Jan If you're a landlord you canapply for it to be paid direct. Hope this helps!

 

[ickihun]

I honestly think that by now most people will be entranced one way or the other, this could be down to the floating voters and if the weather is kind, if it is wet, windy and cold a lot of people won't bother to go and vote once they get home.

Mine is a postal vote!

 

[Sable_Jan]

Unless tenants are vunerable! @Sable_Jan If you're a landlord you canapply for it to be paid direct. Hope this helps!

You'd expect a Housing Association would make that stipulation but a friend's son may get evicted for not having paid the rent

 

[Sable_Jan]

I'm out.


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I'm with you!