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EU - In or Out + Poll.

EU: Leave, stay or undecided?

  • Leave

    Votes: 83 42.3%

  • Stay

    Votes: 101 51.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 12 6.1%
  • Total voters
    196
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noblehead said:
Watching the BBC news and the main headline is Net Migration to the UK has risen to the second highest level on record, this will play into the hands of the Brexit campaign no doubt.
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Yes and half of this figure is from non EU countries. These are the people we could stop coming in already, but don't, so I don't really think Brexit is going to change net migration at all. There will just be more people who we could have turned away but didn't.

I was once of the opinion that migrants took jobs from Brits who needed them. My view has now changed. Migrants work hard and pay taxes and NI here which goes to help pay for the benefits of Brits who don't want to or can't work for whatever reason.

If we leave I think there will be negative repercussions on us from the rest of the EU. I really don't want to go there. The French were bad enough when they had to be told they could no longer boycott British beef because of the BSE scare.

One of the main reasons some want to leave is that Brussels imposes silly rules on all of us and we don't like being told what to do. So why don't we do what the other EU countries do...ignore the silly rules? Oh no, we have to follow them to the letter and then whinge about it.

Stay in or leave? I really don't know what's best, but have decided (probably) to vote to stay in for 2 reasons.

1. By being part of the EU we improve it. Geographically we are European and what the EU decide will affect us like it or not, so better to stay in and improve the quality of the EU by us being still there. This view was voiced to me by my local Green candidate the day before the recent local elections. He was referring mainly to green issues where the UK has influenced the EU positively but I can see it applying to other areas too.

2. Better the devil you know. I think the cost of leaving has been grossly underestimated. I have taken everything every politician and economist has said with a big pinch of salt. Only one economist has impressed me at all and his view was that we would be a lot worse off for years after Brexit.
 
zand said:
One of the main reasons some want to leave is that Brussels imposes silly rules on all of us and we don't like being told what to do. So why don't we do what the other EU countries do...ignore the silly rules? Oh no, we have to follow them to the letter and then whinge about it.
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Totally agree about other countries not obeying the rules.

After the smoking ban in public places came in there was a news item on television where the cameras and presenter went to Paris. They interviewed everyone they saw smoking in a large railway station, and there were a lot of them smoking. Every one of them said words to the effect "this is France, if we don't agree with a rule we don't follow it". Similarly, in the airport we landed at in Spain there were many people smoking - the police and cleaning staff mainly.
 
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zand said:
Stay in or leave? I really don't know what's best, but have decided (probably) to vote to stay in for 2 reasons.
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I'm still undecided :confused:
 
I'm voting to stay for purely selfish reasons, might be different though if I lived in the UK.
 
I work for myself at home and telecommute with primarily German and Austrian colleagues. The company I sub-contract to is based in Austria and my life is made that much easier by being a member of the EU.

Occasionally I will travel to the continent and once again my life is made easier for being part of the EU. If I were to be taken ill whilst abroad in the EU my health care would be taken care of because of a reciprocal agreement fostered by the EU among member states.

I am a small business that pays a lot of tax into the UK coffers and potentially this stream of revenue could go if the UK voted to leave the EU.

It's a no-brainer! I will be voting to stay in the EU
 
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Thanks for nailing your colours to the mast your personal observations born out of your business and diabetes are thought provoking.


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Catlady19 said:
BBC counter argument: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35981015
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That's about healthcare costs, which was a secondary point of my discussion, and has the same issue that we have with all of these - it assumes arrangement of reciprocal deals with healthcare services in all the countries of the EU. The number of treaties/agreements that we need to negotiate if we leave is getting longer by the day!

The point I was making was that for certification of new meds and devices if we were to leave, as the UK economy would suddenly represent a lot smaller consumer base and as a result would be likely to have to wait a lot longer, like Australia with the Libre.
 
tim2000s said:
The point I was making was that for certification of new meds and devices if we were to leave, as the UK economy would suddenly represent a lot smaller consumer base and as a result would be likely to have to wait a lot longer, like Australia with the Libre.
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Maybe, maybe not, we just don't know until we try.
 
Anyway Johnson and Grove are both lying and that was put around by major yesterday by what he was saying but I think they are all lying so we're pretty much screwed either way and when you have the other racists groups with the leave party and I know fine well we don't send that much over to Europe so they have no chance of telling people that we do as the other side and Europe have provided the proof that we don't and Johnson just talks like a child some times so I just turn the TV off when he is on
 
Catlady19 said:
Maybe, maybe not, we just don't know until we try.
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Why try? What benefit does it bring? Purely based on running a business, where you have to seek approval, you take the route that will provide you with the greatest sales opportunity at the lowest cost. It's not a case of maybe or maybe not.

If I had to get regulatory approval, and I had a choice of 30mn consumers or 3mn consumers, and that the sign off is going to be about the same amount of time and work (which it will be - given the amount of time spent trying to standardise sign offs between the EU and USA), you just don't spend the money on the smaller client base. That's basic capitalism.

Ignoring of course whether we try and be part of the European Free Trade Area and EMA or choose not to do that, something which the different parts of the "Leave" campaign don't yet seem to agree on.
 
One discussion I remember from the 75 referendum between my late father and my late uncle (dads brother) both served in WW2 along with 2 other brothers who died

Both my Dad and Uncle were in favour of a common market they both said war was terrible and a common market was a good idea but both warned of a German takeover of that market and that in particular should not be allowed to happen

Now it's 2016 and I think my late father would turn in his grave because we have Germany running the EU

He was for a common market a trading zone and not for a political European superstate run by Germany

We are not in the euro thank god
We are not in Schengen thank god

We are the 5th largest economy and I believe we can do very well on our own

The EU needs us more than we need them

Suppose we leave are the German car industry and German wine producers going to stop selling to the UK? Will the EU impose tariffs on our exports to the EU if they do then we do the same to them and that will hurt not only Germany but France (cars cheeses wines etc) Italy (cars cheeses wines etc so on and so on

If we stay the EU led by Germany will forge ahead with their plans whilst we act like Billy no mates and don't go with them

Leave and the Scandinavians and probably Ireland might reconsider


I'm voting leave we have traded as a nation worldwide for centuries and theres no reason in my book why we can't do so in future years

All I hear from Remain is scaremongering and it makes my blood boil

I would vote remain if as when the common market was set up had focused solely on trade but introductions of a EU parliament and subsequent treaties forging ever closer union is simply not for me

No thank you I want out
 
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Cumberland said:
One discussion I remember from the 75 referendum between my late father and my late uncle (dads brother) both served in WW2 along with 2 other brothers who died

Both my Dad and Uncle were in favour of a common market they both said war was terrible and a common market was a good idea but both warned of a German takeover of that market and that in particular should not be allowed to happen

Now it's 2016 and I think my late father would turn in his grave because we have Germany running the EU

He was for a common market a trading zone and not for a political European superstate run by Germany

We are not in the euro thank god
We are not in Schengen thank god

We are the 5th largest economy and I believe we can do very well on our own

The EU needs us more than we need them

Suppose we leave are the German car industry and German wine producers going to stop selling to the UK? Will the EU impose tariffs on our exports to the EU if they do then we do the same to them and that will hurt not only Germany but France (cars cheeses wines etc) Italy (cars cheeses wines etc so on and so on

If we stay the EU led by Germany will forge ahead with their plans whilst we act like Billy no mates and don't go with them

Leave and the Scandinavians and probably Ireland might reconsider


I'm voting leave we have traded as a nation worldwide for centuries and theres no reason in my book why we can't do so in future years

All I hear from Remain is scaremongering and it makes my blood boil

I would vote remain if as when the common market was set up had focused solely on trade but introductions of a EU parliament and subsequent treaties forging ever closer union is simply not for me

No thank you I want out
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Well said!
 
The problem is we still think of ourselves as Great Britain. We're not that great anymore. We've been living off our capital for years. We don't actually own much in our own country. I'm really not sure that we are such a great bet for trade. We've sold our utilities, we've sold our assets. If we leave the EU then why wouldn't EU owned companies leave the UK? What's in it for them to stay?
 
I've just been watching Question Time from Thursday night, they were discussing the EU Referendum and Nigel Farage and Eddie Izzard were having a right argument over the merits of voting In or Out :)

Felt sorry for Dimbleby has he had no control over the panel.
 
I still have no idea what will be best for this country to stay or leave the EU and I am sure there are hundreds of people if they are honest who feel like that to. Many I am sure will vote just because they feel they should yet will have no idea why they voted the way they did. I will not vote about something when I do not know what is the best way to go
 
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