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EU - In or Out + Poll.

EU: Leave, stay or undecided?

  • Leave

    Votes: 83 42.3%

  • Stay

    Votes: 101 51.5%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 12 6.1%
  • Total voters
    196
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Leaving the EU is a massive, massive gamble for this country (regardless of the impact on Europe and the wider world). If you really aren't sure, I would have thought it makes most sense to vote Remain.
 
equipoise said:
Leaving the EU is a massive, massive gamble for this country (regardless of the impact on Europe and the wider world). If you really aren't sure, I would have thought it makes most sense to vote Remain.
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Equally, staying in is a massive gamble (and a much better bet for our Commonwealth friends).
No-one really knows, either way, what will happen 10 years down the line, but my opinion is I prefer British rule to European dogma.
 
I really hope Remain prevail. The thought of the madness caused by the Leave campaigners I find truly troubling.


Diagnosed 13/4/16: T2, no meds, HbA1c 53, FBG 12.6, Trigs 3.6, HDL .75, LDL 4.0, BP 169/95, 13st 8lbs, waist 34" (2012 - 17st 7lbs, w 42").

6/6/16: FBG AV 4.6, Trigs 1.5, HDL 2.0, LDL 3.0, BP 112/68, BPM 66, 11st 11lbs, waist 30".

Regime: 20g LCHF, run 1 mile daily, weekly fasting.
 
paulliljeros said:
I have been fascinated to learn what people actually think we are voting in and out of ... What is the EU?
As far as I am aware, the EU is just a list of treaties, and therefore, we are voting out of one, some or all of them, but I have not seen any MP clearly state which ones we are voting on. I appreciate most people appear to be most concerned about immigration, and that is where every discussion seems to head, but that is such a pointless part of the debate .... If the referendum results in a "Leave" result, at some point a statement needs to be made as to which treaties we are leaving, and to me, it looks like that statement is only going to be made after the referendum has taken place.
My concern is everyone is being asked to vote, but no-one actually knows what we are voting for ... I certainly don't!
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We're leaving the whole kit & caboodle. We will no longer be a member of the "Common Market" , no longer be bound by ANY of their rules
 
Sable_Jan said:
We're leaving the whole kit & caboodle. We will no longer be a member of the "Common Market" , no longer be bound by ANY of their rules
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Unless we want to trade with any of the member countries, then the UK would have to negotiate individually with that country which would be looking to implement EU policies and standards in that agreement. That is likely to be a messy and protracted procedure.
 
Prem51 said:
Unless we want to trade with any of the member countries, then the UK would have to negotiate individually with that country which would be looking to implement EU policies and standards in that agreement. That is likely to be a messy and protracted procedure.
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I'm voting to leave
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Equally, staying in is a massive gamble (and a much better bet for our Commonwealth friends).
No-one really knows, either way, what will happen 10 years down the line, but my opinion is I prefer British rule to European dogma.
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Not sure what you mean by 'European dogma'. Or 'British rule'.
 
haven't got a house in the UK I live in Italy and am very happy. been here too long to qualify to vote in the Referendum.
it seems to me everyone has their own personal reasons for what they want to do (especially the ones banging the drum the loudest). for me as long as my pension keeps arriving and I have access to the NHS nothing is going to change for me - fingers crossed.
 
verdesca said:
haven't got a house in the UK I live in Italy and am very happy. been here too long to qualify to vote in the Referendum.
it seems to me everyone has their own personal reasons for what they want to do (especially the ones banging the drum the loudest). for me as long as my pension keeps arriving and I have access to the NHS nothing is going to change for me - fingers crossed.
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The problem for UK pensioners living in the EU though is that although they would continue to receive their UK pensions, if UK left the EU pensioners might not receive the annual increase. UK pensioners outside the EU, eg in Australia, do not receive the annual increase. I was listening to Radio 4 Moneybox, where the view was that if UK brexits, there would be transitional arrangements for 2 years, when UK pensioners would continue to receive increases, but the UK would have to negotiate, either with the EU collectively, or individual EU member countries, as to whether there would be reciprocal agreements on uprating of pensions.
Also there would have to be reciprocal agreements as to whether UK citizens would receive medical treatment in EU countries, or whether they would need to take out private medical insurance for treatment, as in the USA.
 
verdesca said:
haven't got a house in the UK I live in Italy and am very happy. been here too long to qualify to vote in the Referendum.
it seems to me everyone has their own personal reasons for what they want to do (especially the ones banging the drum the loudest). for me as long as my pension keeps arriving and I have access to the NHS nothing is going to change for me - fingers crossed.
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I do hope that does not change if this knife edge decision goes the way of Leave:)


Diagnosed 13/4/16: T2, no meds, HbA1c 53, FBG 12.6, Trigs 3.6, HDL .75, LDL 4.0, BP 169/95, 13st 8lbs, waist 34" (2012 - 17st 7lbs, w 42").

6/6/16: FBG AV 4.6, Trigs 1.5, HDL 2.0, LDL 3.0, BP 112/68, BPM 66, 11st 11lbs, waist 30".

Regime: 20g LCHF, run 1 mile daily, weekly fasting.
 
The whole debate is not an easy one to just say stay or go, there are many issues involved here, some good and some bad, when everything is sweetness and light the EU can't do a thing wrong, but the moment it does not agree with a Countries Government then it is seen as a bad thing, the trouble is, this and all previous UK Government's have used the EU to cover up there own failures to deal with issues here at home. It is so easy to blame someone else when something goes wrong. We as a country need to take responsibility for our own mistakes and that is why I think we should leave, we need to sort ourselves out first of all before we put our foot in it again.
 
Lynbarn said:
It is so easy to blame someone else when something goes wrong. We as a country need to take responsibility for our own mistakes and that is why I think we should leave, we need to sort ourselves out first of all before we put our foot in it again.
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If you think Leaving would cause the UK to take responsibility for our own mistakes then you are an incredibly optimistic and dare I say it, naive, person.

Instead of the EU, the trickle down racism that stems from the Leave campaign will become the route of all our ills. Not stuff that the UK does. A classic example is the pressure on health services argument. 14.1 million GP appointments per year are not turned up to in the UK, and our GP numbers are falling as a result of UK Governmental polices, meanwhile, 5.6 million outpatients appointments were missed, and yet we keep hearing that the issues with access to health services are down to growing numbers of immigrants.

Likewise, with regard to social housing, there is a perception that Eastern European immigrants are pushed to the top of the social housing ladder ahead of UK locals. The numbers simply don't bear that out. The reality is that we don't have that much social housing as a result of successive Labour and Conservative policies. But that is our fault and our responsibility. Just shutting out the EU is not going to change the perception that it's immigrants causing the issue, and the leave campaign mantra has, if anything, made that worse.

We're not very good at taking responsibility for our own failings.
 
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Catlady19 said:
Rude! Other people are entitled to their opinions! Looking at the pole, it is 50/50 split - are half the population naïve too, I don't think so!
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Not particularly rude - I think it's naive to think that we will stop blaming others if we leave the EU.
 
Fascinating thread!

Having read the full length of it, the discussions on here have absolutely made up my mind to vote STAY.

I have no desire to identify with, or support, the undercurrents of xenophobia, racism, defensiveness and venal self interest that prevail amongst the LEAVE arguments.
 
Sable_Jan said:
We're leaving the whole kit & caboodle. We will no longer be a member of the "Common Market" , no longer be bound by ANY of their rules
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Do you think 'our' rules will be any better?
 
Bluetit1802 said:
and how can they stop all this interference without leaving?
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The 'interference' of upholding human rights is a GOOD thing.That kind of interference I like.
 
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