EU - In or Out + Poll.

[SunnyExpat]

London is a hard place to live in, rent prices are crazy, buying a 2 up 2 down terrace in Newcastle central is roughly £200,000 the equivalent in The city of London is £2,000,000 even if you earn £35,000 you couldn't afford to live there, if you are lucky you might get a council flat, (lots of London boroughs are buying or building homes in East Kent to move their tenants there as it is cheaper) families living with married children in 2 bedroom flats (did you know the kitchen is considered a room to sleep in). Broom cupboards with a small mattress for kids. Can you imagine living with 8 of your family in these flats.
You could commute into London by bus from a cheaper area, from were I live (40 miles away) it will cost £3000 for the bus, £7000 for the train, the cheapest option would be car but where can you park and you have congestion charge and maybe Dartford toll. There is a huge homeless problem here people living in tents in parks (not migrants)
People in London aren't living in the lap of luxury, it is very expensive, for food, rent etc.
Remember 90% of people are ordinary hard working decent people. 10% have the wealth.
These council tenants that are being moved to the east of Kent are using Kent schools, GPs, etc, then on top of that you have at least one lorry a day being found with migrants, who want to go to London which cannot even support its own tenants.
London has a population of just over 9 million people with another 3 million commuting into it every day, that is 3xtimes the population of Birmingham going into work everyday. 12 million people in a little piece of land.

I remember the beer was horrible as well.

 

[Mark Smiles]

In thinking on Scotland referendum, there are some uncomfortable issues that need to be aired.
So when Scotland do vote to leave the UK, where will the tax come from to fund Universities, Hospitals, police and other services?

The 90% of EU trade that comes into the ports in the UK in the South will need to still freight to Scotland across a border(ye gods ! How's that supposed to work!?).
Stirling will not be available as currency and all national debt in the Royal Bank of Scotland will likely be transferred from any Scottish body willing to handle the cost fallout.
Oil pipelines can simply be continued further South to new refineries which will enrage the current richest UK billionaire who owns the refineries in Scotland whom I'm almost sure won't be lobbying much to change the outcome(there is also the issue of who owns the oilfields but I won't touch that!)

The currency issue is going to be the biggest issue to overcome in separating Scotland from the UK because the EU will be loath to incur further debt to fund Euros to Scotland. Then there is the EU presidents and commissioners will be so happy to see a separate Scotland reminding areas such as the Basque to go it alone.

With the UK already causing fractures with Denmark, Sweden Italy and Spain (don't mention Greece) considering quick timetable referendums, I'm sure the further disintegration of nations around Europe would be further welcomed by inviting Scotland to to join the EU monetary union?



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[SunnyExpat]

In thinking on Scotland referendum, there are some uncomfortable issues that need to be aired.
So when Scotland do vote to leave the UK, where will the tax come from to fund Universities, Hospitals, police and other services?

The 90% of EU trade that comes into the ports in the UK in the South will need to still freight to Scotland across a border(ye gods ! How's that supposed to work!?).
Stirling will not be available as currency and all national debt in the Royal Bank of Scotland will likely be transferred from any Scottish body willing to handle the cost fallout.
Oil pipelines can simply be continued further South to new refineries which will enrage the current richest UK billionaire who owns the refineries in Scotland whom I'm almost sure won't be lobbying much to change the outcome(there is also the issue of who owns the oilfields but I won't touch that!)

The currency issue is going to be the biggest issue to overcome in separating Scotland from the UK because the EU will be loath to incur further debt to fund Euros to Scotland. Then there is the EU presidents and commissioners will be so happy to see a separate Scotland reminding areas such as the Basque to go it alone.

With the UK already causing fractures with Denmark, Sweden Italy and Spain (don't mention Greece) considering quick timetable referendums, I'm sure the further disintegration of nations around Europe would be further welcomed by inviting Scotland to to join the EU monetary union?



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The Scottish oil, from the Scottish oil fields, in the North Sea, offshore from Scotland, in Scottish territorial water?
I would guess the England keep the southern oilfields, in their territorial water though.

 

[hankjam]

In thinking on Scotland referendum, there are some uncomfortable issues that need to be aired.
So when Scotland do vote to leave the UK, where will the tax come from to fund Universities, Hospitals, police and other services?

The 90% of EU trade that comes into the ports in the UK in the South will need to still freight to Scotland across a border(ye gods ! How's that supposed to work!?).
Stirling will not be available as currency and all national debt in the Royal Bank of Scotland will likely be transferred from any Scottish body willing to handle the cost fallout.
Oil pipelines can simply be continued further South to new refineries which will enrage the current richest UK billionaire who owns the refineries in Scotland whom I'm almost sure won't be lobbying much to change the outcome(there is also the issue of who owns the oilfields but I won't touch that!)

The currency issue is going to be the biggest issue to overcome in separating Scotland from the UK because the EU will be loath to incur further debt to fund Euros to Scotland. Then there is the EU presidents and commissioners will be so happy to see a separate Scotland reminding areas such as the Basque to go it alone.

With the UK already causing fractures with Denmark, Sweden Italy and Spain (don't mention Greece) considering quick timetable referendums, I'm sure the further disintegration of nations around Europe would be further welcomed by inviting Scotland to to join the EU monetary union?



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Given that England has just voted the UK out of the EU with no idea where it is going to land I would have thought the problems posed by a Scottish exist would be trivial in comparison.

There are thought to be only 20 civil servants qualified to negotiate the various treaties UK exist is going to generate and that at least 150 are required... whole thing has not been thought through...

but hey it's okay, we're the 5 largest economy in the world....

and yet we're dependent on a French company, financed by the Chinese to build, one nuclear plant to paper over our under capacity of leccie generation... with some very serious safety concerns about the structural integrity of said power plant.

The future is clearly safe

 

[Mark Smiles]

The Scottish oil, from the Scottish oil fields, in the North Sea, offshore from Scotland, in Scottish territorial water?
I would guess the England keep the southern oilfields, in their territorial water though.

Still not going there as this will just segway off into a completely he said/she said spat!

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[zand]

Oh yes and whatever happened about the aircraft carrier we were going to share with France? Did that go ahead? I have visions of us cutting it down the middle like the furniture in an acrimonious divorce now.

 

[Mark Smiles]

Given that England has just voted the UK out of the EU with no idea where it is going to land I would have thought the problems posed by a Scottish exist would be trivial in comparison.

There are thought to be only 20 civil servants qualified to negotiate the various treaties UK exist is going to generate and that at least 150 are required... whole thing has not been thought through...

but hey it's okay, we're the 5 largest economy in the world....

and yet we're dependent on a French company, financed by the Chinese to build, one nuclear plant to paper over our under capacity of leccie generation... with some very serious safety concerns about the structural integrity of said power plant.

The future is clearly safe

Actually we are likely currently now behind France as the sixth largest Economy!

Perhaps we can hope to beat them at football!?

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[zand]

Actually we are likely currently now behind France as the sixth largest Economy!

Perhaps we can hope to beat them at football!?

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Now you're just being silly.

 

[azure]

Actually we are likely currently now behind France as the sixth largest Economy!

Perhaps we can hope to beat them at football!?

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Yes, that was a bit of a shock too!

 

[Mark Smiles]

Now you're just being silly.

Forgot the tongue-in-cheek and fingers-crossed and blinking my eyes fast when I said that

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[Shar67]

In thinking on Scotland referendum, there are some uncomfortable issues that need to be aired.
So when Scotland do vote to leave the UK, where will the tax come from to fund Universities, Hospitals, police and other services?

The 90% of EU trade that comes into the ports in the UK in the South will need to still freight to Scotland across a border(ye gods ! How's that supposed to work!?).
Stirlingwill not be available as currency and all national debt in the Royal Bank of Scotland will likely be transferred from any Scottish body willing to handle the cost fallout.
Oil pipelines can simply be continued further South to new refineries which will enrage the current richest UK billionaire who owns the refineries in Scotland whom I'm almost sure won't be lobbying much to change the outcome(there is also the issue of who owns the oilfields but I won't touch that!)

The currency issue is going to be the biggest issue to overcome in separating Scotland from the UK because the EU will be loath to incur further debt to fund Euros to Scotland. Then there is the EU presidents and commissioners will be so happy to see a separate Scotland reminding areas such as the Basque to go it alone.

With the UK already causing fractures with Denmark, Sweden Italy and Spain (don't mention Greece) considering quick timetable referendums, I'm sure the further disintegration of nations around Europe would be further welcomed by inviting Scotland to to join the EU monetary union?



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Your forgeting all the businesses that will leave England and move to Scotland so they can trade in the EU.

 

[Mark Smiles]

The soon to be rapidly diminishing EU?

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[Jaylee]

That Euromillions lottery thing... You can count that one out too.. If yer not in it, you can't win it!?

 

[Catlady19]

For the expectations that they will remain in the EU, and have all benefits of free movement, cross border taxation, rights to live in the EU......
For me, so I can get the benefits that come with an EU pension being paid, as opposed to the complete unknown that is going to be happening in England.

I can understand 'emigrating' to Scotland but I can't believe just changing to a Scottish University is going to help in any way.

 

[Mark Smiles]

Just mention,all trades including those done at the banker square mile are all subject to tax in Brussels which is probably the root cause of this detente

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[SunnyExpat]

I can understand 'emigrating' to Scotland but I can't believe just changing to a Scottish University is going to help in any way.

Yes, not many people understood the implications of the 'leave' vote either.
It's a lot to get your head a round.
Maybe only the young should have been allowed to vote?

 

[Catlady19]

Combine the two responses.
The way grants and fellowships work in the EU is that you have to be part of the EU to be able to apply. Fact.
We have voted out of the EU and so are no longer able to apply.
The fact that top UK talent will no longer be on the selection list will mean that the remaining countries will have a greater chance for the places/

Europe is not the only place to study. It just the closest and most diverse group of countries there is.

I repeat, there are ways around these things. I think you will find we are both quite out yet, so could still apply. We will have to see what happens in the negotiations.
Personally, I can think more diverse and exciting places to study even if they do close the doors to UK students.

 

[Catlady19]

For the expectations that they will remain in the EU, and have all benefits of free movement, cross border taxation, rights to live in the EU......
For me, so I can get the benefits that come with an EU pension being paid, as opposed to the complete unknown that is going to be happening in England.

Yes but just changing uni isn't going to give you those things.

 

[SunnyExpat]

Sorry, you didn't answer the question....

You didn't ask a question.
You admitted to a shortcoming in your understanding or beliefs.
I suggested you shouldn't have been allowed to vote in that circumstance.

'I can understand 'emigrating' to Scotland but I can't believe just changing to a Scottish University is going to help in any way.'

 

[SunnyExpat]

You also seem to have three posts, and even quoted yourself as one of them.