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Grazer

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There was an article in today's Daily Mail by John Nicholson which I thought some of you may find interesting. I couldn't paste a link, so thought I would quote it:-
"as the kitchen filled with the smell of caramelised meat, my mouth watered in anticipation of the coming feast: A thick cut of tender steak, fried in butter and olive oil.
This was not a regular treat, in fact, for the previous 26 years I'd been vegan, eschewing not just meat but all animal products.
My diet was an extreme version of the NHS each well regime, which recommends lots of starchy foods and smaller quantities of saturated fat, cholesterol, sugar and red meat.
According to government advice, I was doing everything right - and yet my health had never been worse. My weight had crept up over the years, until in 2008 I was 14 1/2 stone - which is a lot of blubber for someone who is 5'10". Classified as clinically obese.
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But that was about to change.Iin 2010, I decided to give up my supposedly healthy lifestyle and embrace good old-fashioned meat.
From that day on, I ate red meat four or five days a week. I gobbled the fat on chops, chicken skin and pork crackling. I feasted on everything we're told to avoid. The effects were instant.
24 hours after eating meat again, all my IBS symptoms had gone. As the weeks and months passed, every aspect of my health improved dramatically. I became leaner, shedding body fat and becoming stronger and fitter. My headaches went away, never to return. Even my libido increased. It felt like being young again like coming back to life. But though I felt energised, I was also furious. Furious with myself for sticking to the "healthy" eating advice, which was actually far from a sensible diet. But also furious with the so-called experts who have been peddling this low-fat, high carbohydrate claptrap for so long that no one thinks to question it.”

John has lost stones in weight – you can see his “before and after” pictures. The article goes on to discuss processed foods, sugar peaks from bread, etc etc. It’s on pages 15 and 16 of todays Mail, and is adapted from a book he wrote, “the meat fix”
Not saying it’s right or wrong, just interesting!
 
No need to ask what I think of that :lol: Atkins for ever! :wink:

The worst surprise - you're a Daily Mail reader? :shock: :shock: :shock: :wink:

Viv 8)
 
Grazer said:
My diet was an extreme version of the NHS each well regime, which recommends lots of starchy foods and smaller quantities of saturated fat, cholesterol, sugar and red meat.


I didnt know Vegans ate red meat :lol: :crazy: Still it must be true it was in the daily mail, was he an emigrant on benefits by any chance as thats how most daily mail stories start :wave:
 
viviennem said:
The worst surprise - you're a Daily Mail reader?

****, knew it would come out...........NO, I just read it in the newsagents while I was queueing for my chocolate revels!! :oops:

Sid Bonkers said:
Grazer said:
My diet was an extreme version of the NHS each well regime, which recommends lots of starchy foods and smaller quantities of saturated fat, cholesterol, sugar and red meat.


I didnt know Vegans ate red meat :lol: :crazy: Still it must be true it was in the daily mail, was he an emigrant on benefits by any chance as thats how most daily mail stories start :wave:

HIS diet (vegan) was an EXTREME of the NHS eatwell (a little red meat) .......HE didn't eat red meat. so correct.

No immigrants I'm afraid Sid; it wasn't a Daily Mail article but an extract from a book.
Incidentally, it's interesting that both sides of the house (there are only 2 nowadays) are queueing up to attack the very policies that defined the Mail as rascist...........but let's not get political! :thumbup:
 
Hi all!

Mmm...while I believe a low-carb diet is most appropriate for diabetics, I think all this story tells us is that when somebody 'extremist' decides to change, they do the next thing to extreme. I have no opinion on the merits or otherwise of a vegan diet, but it is pretty extreme - and not a diet I have ever heard the NHS advocating. I would have thought the obvious change from a vegan diet would have been to a vegetarian diet, not to an overdose of meat :crazy: This isn't a change of diet so much as a complete lifestyle change - including belief systems.

When people decide to change their lifestyle, they change all sorts of things at the same time, so you have to be wary of drawing conclusions about what has caused the positive effect on this man's health.

I think whatever diet you adopt, you need it to be as balanced as possible within the constraints of the condition you have. So, if I didn't have diabetes, I would include a greater amount of carb in my diet, but eat the correct portions for my height, weight etc. so as not to put on weight. As I do have diabetes, I find it better to reduce my carb intake right down and I therefore have to increase protein and fat to compensate (or lose weight which I don't need to do). I simply prioritise my blood glucose levels over whatever health benefits a greater variety and amount of carb would give me. I certainly wouldn't advocate people eating unlimited amounts of red meat, though, but I would recommend eating as varied a diet as you can tolerate.

Smidge
 
smidge said:
I simply prioritise my blood glucose levels over whatever health benefits a greater variety and amount of carb would give me.

Exactly my approach Smidge. Do remember, I'm not advocating this article, just found it interesting! My approach is to do whatever I need to to get my BG where I want it, on the basis that everything else will then sort itself out!
 
Thoughts? Eating an entirely vegan diet is *not* an extreme form of a diet that recommends you eat a certain amount of meat (e.g. Chicken/turkey/fish) and dairy products but limit red meat, salt, sugar, etc.
No mention of the calorie total is made - if he ended up eating less (such as to ensure dramatic results to promote the book, or subconsciously) then he would obviously have lost weight; cf Twinkie diet.
I think there are various nutrient deficiencies associated with a vegan diet, and some substitutes may not be ideal for human consumption (soy)
 
Hey Grazer!

I guessed you weren't advocating the article :D Just didn't want it kicking off into a pro/anti low-carb battle again :D

Smidge
 
I could never be a Vegan for a start, everything in moderation is the key to a long and healthy life! :thumbup:
 
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