rowan
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Also my eyesight has improved a lot over the last week or so, I can now read again without my reading glasses. So something is obviously going right, but the numbers don't seem to be backing it up!
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Fed up with constant high morning levels!
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Bluetit1802
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It must be very frustrating for you, but you have come a long way since your HbA1c, which was only about 3 weeks ago (?). Then your result was 13.7% which equates to 19.2mmol/l and that is an average, so plenty of times you will have been much higher than 19. I bet your averages are much less than this now after only 3 weeks.
The only things that leap out at me are:
The time you wake up and start your day. Other than your little bits of cheese, you have been fasting a long time. This will be prompting your liver to kick in. Is it possible to start your day earlier? I had a problem with rising levels during the mornings so by lunch time I was high (for me), and therefore my post lunch reading was impacted. I made the effort to rise over an hour earlier, and it made a difference immediately.
Breakfast of 13 carbs. Not many carbs, but possibly too many for breakfast. Many people can't cope with carbs for breakfast because our insulin resistance is at its worst. It improves as the day progresses. Perhaps eggs instead of crispbread? Then you could have your crispbread later in the day.
Soup with lentils. Are these tinned? If so, they are quite carb heavy and some people can't manage them. Just a thought. Stock cubes? Have you checked those for carbs?
Are you eating enough? Do you track your nutrients at all?
Otherwise I can't see anything wrong.
Try not to stress as this won't help matters. It could just be a little more patience is required. This is a marathon, not a sprint.
The only things that leap out at me are:
The time you wake up and start your day. Other than your little bits of cheese, you have been fasting a long time. This will be prompting your liver to kick in. Is it possible to start your day earlier? I had a problem with rising levels during the mornings so by lunch time I was high (for me), and therefore my post lunch reading was impacted. I made the effort to rise over an hour earlier, and it made a difference immediately.
Breakfast of 13 carbs. Not many carbs, but possibly too many for breakfast. Many people can't cope with carbs for breakfast because our insulin resistance is at its worst. It improves as the day progresses. Perhaps eggs instead of crispbread? Then you could have your crispbread later in the day.
Soup with lentils. Are these tinned? If so, they are quite carb heavy and some people can't manage them. Just a thought. Stock cubes? Have you checked those for carbs?
Are you eating enough? Do you track your nutrients at all?
Otherwise I can't see anything wrong.
Try not to stress as this won't help matters. It could just be a little more patience is required. This is a marathon, not a sprint.
rowan
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I have real problems getting up earlier but it's about the only thing I haven't tried. I suppose I'm going to have to give it a go, which will mean going to bed earlier, but when i do that i usually can't sleep for hours, which is why I go to bed late. Maybe i should have my dinner later in the evening, then I won't be fasting for as long!
The lentils are around 30g for the whole tin, drained, and 18g for two packs of tesco base mix (carrots, onions, celery), and the rest of the veg are very low carb. Kallo Organic Chicken Stock Cube, 0.8 carbs per 100 ml, so negligible. I get about 6 servings of the soup, so around 8 - 10 carbs per bowl.
Added to the 2 crispbreads I have most days, that's less than 30g crabs per day. But I'll try what you suggest, just the boiled eggs for breakfast which means I can eat immediately I wake up (keep them by my bed) instead of laying in bed having a cuddle and a chat with the dog for a while (he's old and in no rush to get up ion the mornings either!), then feeding him while the kettle's boiling etc!. I'm going to be no-carbing if i carry on cutting down!
But you're right about the higher levels a few weeks ago! When I first starting testing nothing showed on the display except the word 'Hi'. I thought it was welcoming me, like my DVD player does every time i switch it on! But apparently not, it meant my levels were too high to register on the meter, i was over 30 for the first few days but i thought i just needed to programme the meter properly for it work as it should and to stop welcoming me
Then one day it showed 29.5 instead of Hi, and I began to realise what was happening! So yes, I know I've done well since then, but i seem to be not just slowing down but going backwards A marathon, not a sprint, you're so right! It's just that I see other people getting their numbers down quicker than me, but then have to remind myself that they probably haven't got the same added health problems and a body full of inflammation and very toxic drugs to deal with.
And now I'm going to try the Fage Greek yoghurt that was delivered today
Bluetit1802
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I have real problems getting up earlier but it's about the only thing I haven't tried. I suppose I'm going to have to give it a go, which will mean going to bed earlier, but when i do that i usually can't sleep for hours, which is why I go to bed late. Maybe i should have my dinner later in the evening, then I won't be fasting for as long!
The lentils are around 30g for the whole tin, drained, and 18g for two packs of tesco base mix (carrots, onions, celery), and the rest of the veg are very low carb. Kallo Organic Chicken Stock Cube, 0.8 carbs per 100 ml, so negligible. I get about 6 servings of the soup, so around 8 - 10 carbs per bowl.
Added to the 2 crispbreads I have most days, that's less than 30g crabs per day. But I'll try what you suggest, just the boiled eggs for breakfast which means I can eat immediately I wake up (keep them by my bed) instead of laying in bed having a cuddle and a chat with the dog for a while (he's old and in no rush to get up ion the mornings either!), then feeding him while the kettle's boiling etc!. I'm going to be no-carbing if i carry on cutting down!
But you're right about the higher levels a few weeks ago! When I first starting testing nothing showed on the display except the word 'Hi'. I thought it was welcoming me, like my DVD player does every time i switch it on! But apparently not, it meant my levels were too high to register on the meter, i was over 30 for the first few days but i thought i just needed to programme the meter properly for it work as it should and to stop welcoming me
A marathon, not a sprint, you're so right! It's just that I see other people getting their numbers down quicker than me, but then have to remind myself that they probably haven't got the same added health problems and a body full of inflammation and very toxic drugs to deal with.
And now I'm going to try the Fage Greek yoghurt that was delivered today
Glad to see your sense of humour isn't failing you!
It is always a mistake to compare ourselves with others on this forum. I sometimes look at the low numbers some see and wonder why I don't, but it really is a mistake. We all have natural glucose levels .... the sort we would have seen way back before we became diabetic, and even those are all different. Some non-diabetics run in the 3's, some in the 4's, and some run in the 5's. We are all on different medications, we all have different degrees of pancreas damage and insulin resistance, we all have different metabolisms, and are all different weights and sizes with varying health problems.
Enjoy the Fage yogurt. I love it.
rowan
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rowan
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I've made a small breakthrough! 
My levels finally went down to 8.2 before dinner last night and 8.0 two hours after. I had a glass of red wine and at bedtime 1 ryvita with salmon pate and went up to 10.2 but I don't think 1 ryvita would do that?
I'd set the alarm alarm for 9am to make sure I wouldn't sleep lter - I'm going to try and train myself (yet again!) to get up earlier to try and beat this dawn phenomenomenom! Anyway, I woke at 7.20 and tested myself 14.2, so my rise comes too early for me to beat it by just getting up a bit earlier and having breakfast. But I had a boiled egg and a mini babybel that I'd put by my bedside (opening a plastic container with a peeled boiled egg inside certainly wakes you up, pheeewww!) and took my 2 metformin and 2 gliclazide, turned the alarm off and went back to sleep. Slept through till 11am, tested, and I was 11.2, whereas other mornings I would have been over 15! Still too high but at least it's heading in the right direction and I think I'm getting somewhere in sorting it out
So, it was either eating something or taking my pills early that helped, should've tried just one of them to begin with. But tomorrow I will check again, will set alarm a bit earlier at 6.30am and will just take the pills as I hate eating so early in the morning!
My levels finally went down to 8.2 before dinner last night and 8.0 two hours after. I had a glass of red wine and at bedtime 1 ryvita with salmon pate and went up to 10.2 but I don't think 1 ryvita would do that?I'd set the alarm alarm for 9am to make sure I wouldn't sleep lter - I'm going to try and train myself (yet again!) to get up earlier to try and beat this dawn phenomenomenom! Anyway, I woke at 7.20 and tested myself 14.2, so my rise comes too early for me to beat it by just getting up a bit earlier and having breakfast. But I had a boiled egg and a mini babybel that I'd put by my bedside (opening a plastic container with a peeled boiled egg inside certainly wakes you up, pheeewww!) and took my 2 metformin and 2 gliclazide, turned the alarm off and went back to sleep. Slept through till 11am, tested, and I was 11.2, whereas other mornings I would have been over 15! Still too high but at least it's heading in the right direction and I think I'm getting somewhere in sorting it out
So, it was either eating something or taking my pills early that helped, should've tried just one of them to begin with. But tomorrow I will check again, will set alarm a bit earlier at 6.30am and will just take the pills as I hate eating so early in the morning!
Bluetit1802
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That's a good breakthrough Rowan, and hats off to you for trying it out, and your evening meal must have been spot on.
Is a ryvita and salmon pate a good idea at bedtime? Personally I doubt it. How many carbs in the pate? I think it's best to have no carbs at supper time and stick to cheese or a decaf with cream, or similar.
Is a ryvita and salmon pate a good idea at bedtime? Personally I doubt it. How many carbs in the pate? I think it's best to have no carbs at supper time and stick to cheese or a decaf with cream, or similar.
rowan
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Thank you, I'm determined to get to the bottom of this!
Dinner was roast chicken, lots of roast celeriac (I was hungry!) and veg, very nice.
The crispbread was 7g and the smoked salmon pate is 2.2g for a third of a pot and I had less than half that amount, so around 1g. (Forgot to mention I took my last metformin at bedtime too, have cut out one of the dinnertime gliclazide)
I usually have cheese but the pate needed to be eaten. Wasn't overkeen so the dog can have the rest, he's currently having lots of little treats from a packet of smoked salmon that I didn't like
Dinner was roast chicken, lots of roast celeriac (I was hungry!) and veg, very nice.
The crispbread was 7g and the smoked salmon pate is 2.2g for a third of a pot and I had less than half that amount, so around 1g. (Forgot to mention I took my last metformin at bedtime too, have cut out one of the dinnertime gliclazide)
I usually have cheese but the pate needed to be eaten. Wasn't overkeen so the dog can have the rest, he's currently having lots of little treats from a packet of smoked salmon that I didn't like
I've made a small breakthrough!
I'd set the alarm alarm for 9am to make sure I wouldn't sleep lter - I'm going to try and train myself (yet again!) to get up earlier to try and beat this dawn phenomenomenom! Anyway, I woke at 7.20 and tested myself 14.2, so my rise comes too early for me to beat it by just getting up a bit earlier and having breakfast. But I had a boiled egg and a mini babybel that I'd put by my bedside (opening a plastic container with a peeled boiled egg inside certainly wakes you up, pheeewww!) and took my 2 metformin and 2 gliclazide, turned the alarm off and went back to sleep. Slept through till 11am, tested, and I was 11.2, whereas other mornings I would have been over 15! Still too high but at least it's heading in the right direction and I think I'm getting somewhere in sorting it out
So, it was either eating something or taking my pills early that helped, should've tried just one of them to begin with. But tomorrow I will check again, will set alarm a bit earlier at 6.30am and will just take the pills as I hate eating so early in the morning!
Boiled egg first thing and in bed, I also want to beat the dp, but, I just could not face a cold boiled egg. But what ever floats your boat.
rowan
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I was getting desperate and it was all i could think of that wouldn't go 'off' overnight
Anyway, I've just had nap, woke up, tested, 7.8! Back on track
Just got to try and keep it around this figure overnight!
I was getting desperate and it was all i could think of that wouldn't go 'off' overnight
Anyway, I've just had nap, woke up, tested, 7.8! Back on track
Just got to try and keep it around this figure overnight!
Have had my metformin with my evening meal. I usually have it at bedtime, that way I don't forget it.
This is probably so wrong, but I am going to have a piece of toast at bedtime. Would like a milky drink, but my antibiotic that I have last thing says not to have milk at the same time, yes odd one. I am on perminant antibiotics.
See what the morning brings. Ha, Ho
Bluetit1802
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How about a decaf coffee with double cream for your milky drink? No carbs in the cream.
Thanks but no thanks, husband has decafe I thing it's horrible. I drink black coffe, no sugar
Bluetit1802
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I only mentioned decaf because caffeine can raise BS levels. How about double cream in your normal coffee then? Still no carbs and tastes luxurious and milky.
Thanks, but again no thanks. I have been drinking black coffee no sugar for around 45 years. I can't stand the smell of tea.
rowan
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So what was the milky drink you said you'd like? I now make cocoa with water and add double cream, that's lovely.
I don't like cocoa or drinking chocolate, I do like horlicks. I can't drink milk at night, because of antibiotics, strange yes, but it says not to have milk at the same time
Was it after you'd lowered your sugar that your eyes went blurry. How long did it take for it to clear? I think this is happening to me and I was frightened I'done damage when my sugar was high.Oh yes... this bit was soooo scary... first going soooo blurry eyed.... after lowering the sugar, I couldn't focus from a close distance. Now: perfect
rowan
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My eyes were so bad I really thought I'd done a lot of damage! It started getting worse very soon after my BG started coming down and I had to start wearing reading glasses to use my laptop, which I'd never had to do before, and I couldn't read a book without a real struggle even with my glasses and good lighting.
It lasted about 2 weeks when i started noticing a slight improvement and for the last week is almost back to normal, I'm SO relieved!
But at least it joggeed me into getting an appointment for retinal screening and an annual eye tets that is now 3 years overdue!
Thanks for the reply. Hopefully mine will clear up soon too. I went for a test about 9 months ago and everything was ok. Let's hope that we'll both be ok. It's good to have the support of this forum when things are a, bit scary.
