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Type-2-Havent-A-Clue

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
So as you all know it’s still not quite there with regards to the fat aspect of the plate. In truth my worries are to do with having too much fat. I suspect it’s going to take some time to work out the difference between good and bad fats and more importantly my tolerances to them. Some may not be aware that I don’t yet have a replacement BS meter hence the caution. (I’ve been waiting nearly 2 weeks) I’m not finding myself hungry after what I’m eating nor wanting to Hannibal Lectar the nearest bar of chocolate in sight!

I’ll be honest I do find a few bits of information on here a little confusing. Some say pile on the fat, Some say eat until you’re content. One or two even saying anything and everything in moderation? I’m trying my level best to balance things out but I won’t deny it’s difficult for me trying to find that balance.

The little and often approach isn’t for me I tried that previously and eventually it took me back to reaching for the crisps/chocolate etc.

Does anyone really know what the “perfect plate” is? In both size & content? I genuinely believe the theory that no two things are the same and I suspect that also applies to us, our eating habits and patterns!
 
The "perfect plate" is the one that suits you.
We are all different so there is no such thing as a generic "perfect plate"
Furthermore, I would focus on the perfect day for you. One meal may have more fats and another may have more veggies and another may have more (relatively) carbs.
I find if I focus on one meal at a time I get bored so I think about the food for the day ... or week if I spend a few days away from home where i have less control over my diet.
 
@Type-2-Havent-A-Clue, I have read your posts and it seems clear that you are trying out the lchf approach. I would not worry at this stage about how much fat you consume so long as you keep those carbs low. If you keep those carbs low, I think the premise is that your body will have to turn to the fats to keep it going thus you will lose weight. (That I know, is the most basic explanation). I read that the threshold for most people (who also want to lose weight as well as keep their glucose levels at a premium number) is to keep the carbs at under 30g, much more than that and your body will grab those 'extra' carbs as it's primary source of energy, if they are not there to grab then it can't. You are doing well, I can understand your confusion at some of the comments but the majority would agree that you can eat your fats to satiety as long as you keep those carbs very low. Don't worry about too many variations as that will be confusing and sort of an 'in the middle approach' which I think doesn't do a lot for anyone in YOUR position. There are many of us that do balance it out more between carbs & fats etc, but some of us have insulin to counteract that, others use exercise, others still use other methods. At this stage for you, I would say carry on eating as much fat as you want, keep the carbs very low and see where you are in a month or so. (I say this not knowing what medication you are on etc, so please bear that in mind). Good luck. x
 
You have time. This is not a race, learning about how our bodys react to foods and how satisfied we are and how comfortable we are with the changes we make cannot happen in a fortnight.

As for healthy fat levels we just have to suck it and see, there's no other way.
 
Hi @Type-2-Havent-A-Clue , the glib answer is to eat so that:
- your BSLs before and after meals and first thing in the morning plus your 3 monthly HBA1C stay within acceptable ranges
- your weight stays within acceptable limits
- you feel happy and not hungry
- you are healthy and not lacking in any nutrient
Fat: makes us feel fuller, satisfied and not hungry longer than other food but
........we also need the type of fat that has vitamins (A,D,E,K)
........weight for weight fat packs about 2 x the calories of carbs or protein
........most protein contains fat
There are so many diets for so many conditions, even for diabetes.
If you look at the Home page then under Type 2 diabetes you will see the diets.
The Newcastle diet is to make you lose weight, 'sensible starving' if you like
The Low GI diet is about eating foods that are less likely to raise your BSL as high as other foods
but tends to be associated with low fat diets as well.
The Low carb diet is about reducing carbs of any kind and increasing protein and fat.
It is due to become the preferred diet for T2Ds, endorsed by the NHS
The NHS Eatwell diet is supposedly about higher carb than any of the above and
was the 'poster diet' for the NHS until recently.
I cannot advise you on what to do with your diet, that is a health professional's job. But read about the above.
 
I can only tell you what has worked for me, we are all different. In my 21 months since diagnosis I have only ever counted carbs. I started on keeping under 100g per day, then gradually reduced that to under 50g. I have kept at under 50g for over a year now. During that time I have normalised my blood sugars resulting in HbA1cs consistently in the mid 30s and a weight loss of 6 stone 4lbs (40kg). I never feel hungry, I have learnt that I tolerate carbs better in the evening than the morning. I learnt this with self testing, I hope you receive your meter soon, mine is my best friend!
 
Type-2-Havent-A-Clue said:
So as you all know it’s still not quite there with regards to the fat aspect of the plate. In truth my worries are to do with having too much fat. I suspect it’s going to take some time to work out the difference between good and bad fats and more importantly my tolerances to them. Some may not be aware that I don’t yet have a replacement BS meter hence the caution. (I’ve been waiting nearly 2 weeks) I’m not finding myself hungry after what I’m eating nor wanting to Hannibal Lectar the nearest bar of chocolate in sight!

I’ll be honest I do find a few bits of information on here a little confusing. Some say pile on the fat, Some say eat until you’re content. One or two even saying anything and everything in moderation? I’m trying my level best to balance things out but I won’t deny it’s difficult for me trying to find that balance.

The little and often approach isn’t for me I tried that previously and eventually it took me back to reaching for the crisps/chocolate etc.

Does anyone really know what the “perfect plate” is? In both size & content? I genuinely believe the theory that no two things are the same and I suspect that also applies to us, our eating habits and patterns!
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Hi there.

There are as many perfect plates as there are people, sodon't get hung up on perfection.As others have alluded, you need to find a way of eating you enjo and works for you.

On thing I would say is to ask up not to think many others found it easy-peasy to find their current way of eating. Most of us tried things we liked, but also tried things we're content not to have in our lives again,...... ever!

A while ago, in a meeting with someone I regard very highly, in terms of diabetes management and advice (His is an HCP), hem made a comment at one point which I thought was ace. In essence, he told me, he considers that carbs should be eaten with a eye on blood glucose, and fats with an eye on the bathroom scales.

I know if I go OTT on fats, I can experience unpleasant bowel issues, so if you're upping your fat levels, don't go too mega, too quickly, so that your tummy can get used to it.
 
Hi. As others have said, we are all different and amongst other things have different natural metabolisms. I always say keep the carbs down and have enough fats and protein to keep you feeling full. Now that's a bit open-ended but you can adjust the actual low-carb level depending on weight and BS levels and you can vary the fat and protein quite a bit to suit you. The key points are that carbs are the main cause of weight and BS gain and fats don't clog the arteries as the liver produces most of the cholesterol in the blood. Also fats go thru a complex digestive process and don't contribute as much to weight gain as the carbs do.
 
Type-2-Havent-A-Clue said:
So as you all know it’s still not quite there with regards to the fat aspect of the plate. In truth my worries are to do with having too much fat. I suspect it’s going to take some time to work out the difference between good and bad fats and more importantly my tolerances to them. Some may not be aware that I don’t yet have a replacement BS meter hence the caution. (I’ve been waiting nearly 2 weeks) I’m not finding myself hungry after what I’m eating nor wanting to Hannibal Lectar the nearest bar of chocolate in sight!

I’ll be honest I do find a few bits of information on here a little confusing. Some say pile on the fat, Some say eat until you’re content. One or two even saying anything and everything in moderation? I’m trying my level best to balance things out but I won’t deny it’s difficult for me trying to find that balance.

The little and often approach isn’t for me I tried that previously and eventually it took me back to reaching for the crisps/chocolate etc.

Does anyone really know what the “perfect plate” is? In both size & content? I genuinely believe the theory that no two things are the same and I suspect that also applies to us, our eating habits and patterns!
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Well that’s what I have found too. I have spent a good few days reading and posting and eventually it becomes clear as to what is best for ones individual circumstances. I too am holding back on the ultra low carbs and the higher fats on a “steady as she goes basis”. Then if I need to take a more radical approach I will do. As I said before, I am seeing benefits already from moderate changes at the outset.

I didn’t vote for a cliff edge Brexit and am approaching LCHF in the same way. :D
 
Rachox said:
I can only tell you what has worked for me, we are all different. In my 21 months since diagnosis I have only ever counted carbs. I started on keeping under 100g per day, then gradually reduced that to under 50g. I have kept at under 50g for over a year now. During that time I have normalised my blood sugars resulting in HbA1cs consistently in the mid 30s and a weight loss of 6 stone 4lbs (40kg). I never feel hungry, I have learnt that I tolerate carbs better in the evening than the morning. I learnt this with self testing, I hope you receive your meter soon, mine is my best friend!
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Hi @Rachox . , was there a problem with the 100grams per day limit?
 
Listlad said:
Well that’s what I have found too. I have spent a good few days reading and posting and eventually it becomes clear as to what is best for ones individual circumstances. I too am holding back on the ultra low carbs and the higher fats on a “steady as she goes basis”. Then if I need to take a more radical approach I will do. As I said before, I am seeing benefits already from moderate changes at the outset.

I didn’t vote for a cliff edge Brexit and am approaching LCHF in the same way. :D
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You just need to extend your own article 50 a bit longer
 
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