Forever Living Clean 9...anyone else tried it?

[LIDO40]

I recently tried the Forever Living Clean 9 cleanse having seen people achieve great initial weight and inch loss on it - as I continually struggle with my weight being Type 2 and with polycystic ovaries and a touch of early menopause kicking in I thought I would give it a go. It says its not for diabetics but having read the literature I think it should sat not for insulin dependant diabetics as, apart from the first 2 days, it is very similar to the Newcastle Diet. The regime is Day1-2 4 x120ml Aloe Vera, garcinia and therm supplements, fibre sachet and a shake with some free fruits and veg and plenty of water, days 3-9 1/60ml aloe vera, supplements, fibre, 2 shakes and 600 cal meal with 30 mins moderate exercise daily.

My bloods normally run high but with this I lost 9lbs and 19 inches and from day 3 my BS levels were ranging between 7.9 and 6.3 every day - and a week later still lower than normal and not much weight regained. I was wondering if anyone had tried it? If any GPs would prescribe it as its quite expensive? Or do/can GPs prescribe the Newcastle Diet with sachets as I read that you cannot buy the sachets that were used in the study.

I'm hoping to do another cleanse in September and follow up with the 30 day FIT 1 programme - felt great and the improved sugar levels were / are amazing.

 

[donnellysdogs]

To me its worrying when you state "and a week later still lower than normal and not much weight regained"...

To me the only way is to get a long term sustainable eating plan.. Not a quick fix one where a week later you can find yourself with "weight gainedl

GPs cannot prescribe diet foods... The NHS can't afford strips let alone diets foods!! Although they can do referrals to gyms-even these areaimly just discounted membership rather than free 12 weeks...

Good to hear you found it okay but having seen my sis in law lose 4st on some special diet bought in at £80 a week for her and then within 9 months she had put well inexcess of the 4st back on... Nothing re educated her actual eating habits long term... She just saw it as a fix... And going back to her normal meals after the weight loss.

Glad you found benefit, even though I prefer to see natural change of lifestyle permanently.

 

[4ratbags]

Good on you for giving it a go and for finding it beneficial. Just out of interest how much of the weight did you put back on and what do you have in place in regards to a long term plan for your general day to day dietary needs as its great to get that initial "woo hoo" feeling but it would be a shame for it to all go south until September when you do your next cleanse.

 

[LIDO40]

I too have tried every diet and quick fix going to no avail, this is the first thing that worked well for me - I already go to the gym most mornings and eat reasonably healthily and since finishing this am still avoiding picking / snacking...to date regained 2lbs and the only reason I'm waiting til September is because I'm off on holiday and have a weekend away in August and need to get the money together to do it again with the follow up!!

 

[4ratbags]

In my opinion 'to each their own' so if you are happy with the results then that is the most important thing. At least the good results you achieved gave you a boost which has curbed your picking/snacking as I know how hard that can be. It will be interesting to see if you manage to keep off the weight you have lost and if your BS stays at the lower level. Wishing you all the best on your holiday, please keep us informed how it goes in Sept.

 

[iHs]

Grrrrrr


The only way to lose weight is to eat less food and drink less liquids that give rise to higher bg levels that require the pancreas to release the hormone insulin. Going to a gym is a waste of money unless strenuous slog your guts out exercise where you sweat buckets done for about 2hrs at a time will enable 1 or 2 lbs of bodyweight to be lost. Exercise whether it's done at home or in a gym will tone up loose skin resulting from excessive weightloss but doesn't do much to encourage weightloss. Paying for gym membership burns a hole in someone's bank balance which in an indirect way might affect how much money is spent on food but other than that, I think they are a 'yuppy' way of living for the wealthy.

As for Forever Living Products and Herbalife .....look up pyramid selling and watch the innocent get roped in trying to sell these products in markets and carboots only to find that no one wants to buy the stuff that's being sold as its way too expensive.

 

[donnellysdogs]

Going to a gym is not to be rubbished... If you need to lose weight then it helps to avoid the fat layers over hanging etc.. It tones up the body.

It is not all about weight loss... Its about the whole body being fitter...

It certainly isn't "yuppy" living... The reason for so much obesity nowadays is due to sedentary lifestyles... It doesn't even have to be gym.. Just walking, cycling instead of driving!!

Exercise is **** important to overall fitness for every human... We used to hunt and catch our food... Crikey many people forget that exercise is needed for the food that is so easily laid before us humans nowadays.

Agree eith the Forever Living Aspect.

So many people would not just need so much surgery after dramatic weightloss if they had also included exercising more with their diets... Life is a balance and should not be pooped in favour just of dieting.....

 

[AndBreathe]

Going to a gym is not to be rubbished... If you need to lose weight then it helps to avoid the fat layers over hanging etc.. It tones up the body.

It is not all about weight loss... Its about the whole body being fitter...

It certainly isn't "yuppy" living... The reason for so much obesity nowadays is due to sedentary lifestyles... It doesn't even have to be gym.. Just walking, cycling instead of driving!!

Exercise is **** important to overall fitness for every human... We used to hunt and catch our food... Crikey many people forget that exercise is needed for the food that is so easily laid before us humans nowadays.

Agree eith the Forever Living Aspect.

So many people would not just need so much surgery after dramatic weightloss if they had also included exercising more with their diets... Life is a balance and should not be pooped in favour just of dieting.....

DD - I'm sorry but to my viewing, you are coming across as pretty judgemental in how you are approaching this thread. That you don't fancy the diet @LIDO40 has done is an irrelevance, but to decree it rubbish is a bit strong. For me, I don't think it would be an approach I would adopt for myself, but it does seem to be a variation on a theme to the ND, which has had proven and many longer term successes.

In Professor Taylor's presentations and written work, he talks about moving forward at the end of the diet, counselling that a return to pre-diet eating will not work, ad, aside from other considerations, the participants will be lighter and therefore simply require fewer calories to sustain their new form. Additionally, he does state he expects a modest weight gain, on exiting the ND, mainly due to eating more than on the diet. I cannot for the life of me remember if I read this or if it is my own interpretation, but surely if an individual has spent a period of time consuming very frugally, once the begin eating more normally, they will simply have more food in the personal pipework. So, it seems almost inconceivable that some weight gain won't happen, unless the individual is actually continuing to lose on the exit eating programme. The difficulty arises where the exit plan is inappropriate. Do we know that is the case for LIDO40?

And your attitude to the gym these days is almost evangelical. Before joining your gym, what seems like a few weeks ago, I recall you used to say you didn't need to go to the gym, as your occupation kept you mobile and fit enough. I think almost everyone would agree that exercising in some format is beneficial, but not everyone can. Of course there are those would would rather sell their granny than go to a gym, but there are also many, many people for whom that just isn't an option, physically, never mind emotionally.

For those people who carry weight, and particularly those who carry quite a bit of it, going somewhere like a gym, or even communal changing rooms are a nightmare scenario. Some people feel incredible sensitive about their physiques. Personally, I haven't had that because of carrying weight, but I did have it a bit when I got ultra slim, but my body shape hadn't quite caught up. I felt my limbs were spindly and pathetic, rather than toned and shapely as they had been before. Feeling like that was a really educational time. I'm pleased to say, I'm over that now; partly as my body shape has settled a bit and I guess I'm more used to seeing my little limbs these days, but sometimes something happens that wakes me up to how slight I have become.

I think it's great we get enthusiastic about some things, but I would ask you to consider your posting style sometimes as, again, in my view, you become very blinkered and your expressed opinion becomes more binary than you may realise.

Please be clear, DD, this isn't an attack on you. It is feedback.

 

[donnellysdogs]

I haven't rubbished the diet... I totally agree that some people may find gyms etc awful. This is why I mentioned exercise such as walking...

Totally agree with counselling wtc.. My sis in law did it.. (Took no notice of it though).

May appear harsh, thats not intended and not intentional but my stance is that activity and eating has to be a lifestyle change.

I don't take anything as an attack and grateful for feedback. I am just concerned for people soending lits of money on things of special diets.. And yes, even gyms when it is lifesytle changes that need to be made for a permanent change. Exercise can be free...

I fought hard to get referral systems for my own GP and gym back in as this opportunity gives people the opportunity to get one to one with a personal trainer for an hour twice a week...and boy is it good!!! I hate gyms myself.. Joined 3 previously and hated them. With this referral system in place and one to one personal trainer I personally cannot wait to get back!! I know its not for everyone but referrals are specialised around quiet times when the gyms are rarely used... Thus being able to get personal trainers for an hour to the patient!! Its done when they are quiet.

I can come over as excessive and for that I apologise but to me getting a balance of food and exercise is key.... As much as some people struggle to keep weight off or lose it.. With me its the opposite... But still a struggle daily especially now with the realisation that artificial sweeteners or preservatives cause pain and certain foods cause my stomach to stop working... Getting balance whether over or under weight is key.... We must get the right amount of nourishment, vitamins, minerals etc on a long term basis and become less sedentary.. Not just us diabetics but the whole population.

I am really concerned for the whole population Not just diabetics...

 

[donnellysdogs]

I did think by the way that my work as a gardener did keep me fit... But boy.. I admit I am wrong on that!!! I have used muscles that I never knew existed!!! I thought I had reasonable tone, although I knew I had lost a lot of muscle in my legs... Now.. Due my 6 week check and assessment - my myscles in my legs are showing and beautifully shaped again...i never thought in 6 weeks that I could see so much improvement. I though I had lost my muscle for good in my legs through aspartame damage etc but it is unbelievable just after 6 weeks.

I am not trashing diet stuff although after fighting hard to get our GPs and CCG to restart gym referals I may come acrosss as ovsessed but I can and others see my body so much improved after 6 weeks... So I am passionate for people to consider long term plans....

I'm sorry if that appears as if I am harsh etc but it is passion... I never in 50 (+) years thought I could do real exercise...and told my trainer "don't push me, as I'm not competitive-I just want to see if I can help myself to reduce the pains in my legs"... And here I am so positive that I'm being told off!!-lol!!!! Never thought that would happen in my lifetime!!
Positive for exercise... Never!!! Thanks for feedback @AndBreathe...

 

[zand]

Of course there are those would would rather sell their granny than go to a gym,.......

I don't have a granny to sell.

 

[Totto]

I never heard you should go the gym and lose weight? I thought the idea was to gain? Gym=build muscle,

No one still believes exercise makes you lose weight I hope.

 

[catherinecherub]

Could we please stay on track and answer the OP rather than discuss the merits or not of exercise. There are questions within the OP's thread. It's not about gyms, selling granny or any other remarks that are being made.

 

[Totto]

I too have tried every diet and quick fix going to no avail, this is the first thing that worked well for me - I already go to the gym most mornings and eat reasonably healthily and since finishing this am still avoiding picking / snacking...to date regained 2lbs and the only reason I'm waiting til September is because I'm off on holiday and have a weekend away in August and need to get the money together to do it again with the follow up!!

In my opinion it's much better to spend the money on proper food instead. Have you ever, among all the diets tried LCHF? For many of us it's more a life style than a diet and it does wonders for BG and also, for many but not all, for weight. Basically you do the opposite to what you've always been told. No or very low carbs, normal protein and lots of fat.

I go by the advice given on the http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf site, a very good place to start. Have a look around and see if it suits you. And you don't have to buy anything but proper food nor pay any fees.

 

[AndBreathe]

I recently tried the Forever Living Clean 9 cleanse having seen people achieve great initial weight and inch loss on it - as I continually struggle with my weight being Type 2 and with polycystic ovaries and a touch of early menopause kicking in I thought I would give it a go. It says its not for diabetics but having read the literature I think it should sat not for insulin dependant diabetics as, apart from the first 2 days, it is very similar to the Newcastle Diet. The regime is Day1-2 4 x120ml Aloe Vera, garcinia and therm supplements, fibre sachet and a shake with some free fruits and veg and plenty of water, days 3-9 1/60ml aloe vera, supplements, fibre, 2 shakes and 600 cal meal with 30 mins moderate exercise daily.

My bloods normally run high but with this I lost 9lbs and 19 inches and from day 3 my BS levels were ranging between 7.9 and 6.3 every day - and a week later still lower than normal and not much weight regained. I was wondering if anyone had tried it? If any GPs would prescribe it as its quite expensive? Or do/can GPs prescribe the Newcastle Diet with sachets as I read that you cannot buy the sachets that were used in the study.

I'm hoping to do another cleanse in September and follow up with the 30 day FIT 1 programme - felt great and the improved sugar levels were / are amazing.

In response to your specific questions:

I have never tried the diet you describe. Much as I love to slather Aloe on my skin, I've never tried drinking it - even though we have aloe plants in the garden.

I doubt a GP would prescribe the sachets involved. For the ND, I have read of a small number of people who have had the shakes precribed for the ND, but it you read Professor Taylor's work (http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm), he confirms it's the significant weight loss that makes the difference, not the actual foodstuffs or method. Many people on here have done the ND on Slimfast and the like. There are various threads on it.

Good luck with it all.

 

[donnellysdogs]

Could we please stay on track and answer the OP rather than discuss the merits or not of exercise. There are questions within the OP's thread. It's not about gyms, selling granny or any other remarks that are being made.

Thanks for reminder CC..it was just an expression of views!! We didn't mean to derail!!

 

[Lorraine G]

Grrrrrr


The only way to lose weight is to eat less food and drink less liquids that give rise to higher bg levels that require the pancreas to release the hormone insulin. Going to a gym is a waste of money unless strenuous slog your guts out exercise where you sweat buckets done for about 2hrs at a time will enable 1 or 2 lbs of bodyweight to be lost. Exercise whether it's done at home or in a gym will tone up loose skin resulting from excessive weightloss but doesn't do much to encourage weightloss. Paying for gym membership burns a hole in someone's bank balance which in an indirect way might affect how much money is spent on food but other than that, I think they are a 'yuppy' way of living for the wealthy.

As for Forever Living Products and Herbalife .....look up pyramid selling and watch the innocent get roped in trying to sell these products in markets and carboots only to find that no one wants to buy the stuff that's being sold as its way too expensive.

Sorry to read your comments. I can personally assure you that forever Living is not a pyramid scheme. There are no targets and all products are of a extreamly high quality. If you want to know more then happy to explain further.

 

[Guzzler]

Sorry to read your comments. I can personally assure you that forever Living is not a pyramid scheme. There are no targets and all products are of a extreamly high quality. If you want to know more then happy to explain further.

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