From 90 ml per day Novirapid to none?

Vakxes

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Hello all,

My name is Themis and i am diabetic type 2. For the last 13 years i was taking metformin with 30 ml novorapid in every meal and at night 60 ml lantus. Last 2 years i lost 20 kilos and since September i stopped taking Novorapid and reduced Lantus from 60 to 40 ml. Since then i feel great but every now and then i hear that a diabetic should never stop insulin. Only reduce but never stop.... i could use some advice since even the doctors have different opinions.

Thanks
 

Ambersilva

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It is Type 1 Diabetics that should not stop injecting insulin. You are Type 2 ?

Insulin is injected in units not ml.

Some T2s will be along shortly to join the discussion.
 

Vakxes

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It is Type 1 Diabetics that should not stop injecting insulin. You are Type 2 ?

Insulin is injected in units not ml.

Some T2s will be along shortly to join the discussion.
Hi Ambersilva, yes i am type 2. Sorry for the ml. Replace in my question all "ml" to "units" but still the question remains: can i stop insulin since my body does not needed and i keep having hypos or should i remain even with 2 units per dose.
 

Ambersilva

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Hi Ambersilva, yes i am type 2. Sorry for the ml. Replace in my question all "ml" to "units" but still the question remains: can i stop insulin since my body does not needed and i keep having hypos or should i remain even with 2 units per dose.
 

Resurgam

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I think that you need to let your doctor know that you are having hypos and discuss stopping or reducing insulin injections. A type two still with enough insulin being produced can stop injecting - but the process has to be supervised by professionals, not anyone on the internet.
 

Jaylee

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Hello all,

My name is Themis and i am diabetic type 2. For the last 13 years i was taking metformin with 30 ml novorapid in every meal and at night 60 ml lantus. Last 2 years i lost 20 kilos and since September i stopped taking Novorapid and reduced Lantus from 60 to 40 ml. Since then i feel great but every now and then i hear that a diabetic should never stop insulin. Only reduce but never stop.... i could use some advice since even the doctors have different opinions.

Thanks

Hi @Vakxes ,

Warm welcom to the forum..

Firstly you would need to do this with consultation from your doctor. If you are having too many hypos? See your doctor.
Blood glucos monitoring & testing is important regarding stable daily managment.
Keep a log of self blood tests on waking, before food & 2 hours after, & just before going to sleep..
In this log write your meals down too.. (Amount of carbohydrates.)
Any hypos? If you can after treating. Test & write the times down in your log too..

All this will help your doctor know what is happening.

Going to tag in @daisy1 with a fact sheet..

I'll also tag in @ickihun . She is an insulin dependant T2 too!
 

ickihun

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Hi Ambersilva, yes i am type 2. Sorry for the ml. Replace in my question all "ml" to "units" but still the question remains: can i stop insulin since my body does not needed and i keep having hypos or should i remain even with 2 units per dose.
I'm sad to hear your diabetic team hasnt answered this for you. Maybe theyre unsure? My endocrologist would say "well done", for sure.
I also say Well done!
Maybe only time they wouldnt is if you've had tests to say you no longer produce your own insulin. Many a type2 are only on basal and metformin.
I managed to half my nearon 300units of mixed insulin to 69basal and 60novarapid, currently. Still being reduced now resumed metformin.
Do you know if your producing your own insulin? It may seem like a silly question but some type2s do stop producing their exhausted insulin stores.
Is it low carbing which has allowed no novarapid or weightloss/both?

Myself because of huge insulin I was needing it seems likely I was producing my own too and highly insulin resistant. I would gladly stop novarapid if I can. I'm in the bariatric surgery programme to achieve just that.
I did have a little period of being able to stop my mixed insulin but once the basal had ran out I went high again.
I'd keep monitoring your finger blood til you see your consultant. I'd like to think your consultant would allow just basal and metformin as going forward. Mine is. Either before or after surgery for me. That's my teams aim for me.
I'm hoping one day to surprise them and get rid of basal too....we'll see. Metformin for life doesn't worry me and I'd still construe myself in remission on metformin as I need it for other problems not diabetes related.

A very Well done mate! :) :) :)
 
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ickihun

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I just want to repeat... you should still monitor your bloods on basal and metformin only. Many monitor just on metformin to keep healthy.
Testing is the only window into how your doing.
Keep healthy as you deserve it!

Have you read Dr Bernstein's recent book? It may enlighten your overall health.
 
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daisy1

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@Vakxes

Hello Themis and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 276,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

Vakxes

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I'm sad to hear your diabetic team hasnt answered this for you. Maybe theyre unsure? My endocrologist would say "well done", for sure.
I also say Well done!
Maybe only time they wouldnt is if you've had tests to say you no longer produce your own insulin. Many a type2 are only on basal and metformin.
I managed to half my nearon 300units of mixed insulin to 69basal and 60novarapid, currently. Still being reduced now resumed metformin.
Do you know if your producing your own insulin? It may seem like a silly question but some type2s do stop producing their exhausted insulin stores.
Is it low carbing which has allowed no novarapid or weightloss/both?

Myself because of huge insulin I was needing it seems likely I was producing my own too and highly insulin resistant. I would gladly stop novarapid if I can. I'm in the bariatric surgery programme to achieve just that.
I did have a little period of being able to stop my mixed insulin but once the basal had ran out I went high again.
I'd keep monitoring your finger blood til you see your consultant. I'd like to think your consultant would allow just basal and metformin as going forward. Mine is. Either before or after surgery for me. That's my teams aim for me.
I'm hoping one day to surprise them and get rid of basal too....we'll see. Metformin for life doesn't worry me and I'd still construe myself in remission on metformin as I need it for other problems not diabetes related.

A very Well done mate! :) :) :)
Thanks for the respose. Yes i agree i need to learn if still i can produce my own insulin.
 

Kikeena_

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Jenny Ruhl of Diabetes 101 and author of many books was on insulin for a number of years and has stopped using it.
 
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