Resurgam
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There is no right way to control your diabetes just the way that is right for you.
The world is full of older T1s in poor health who managed in a way that was right for them, until it wasn’t. There are many ways of achieving short term goals like HbA1c, lipids, BP etc. But which of these ways is likely to give the best results decades down the track can only be determined by looking at others.
That's interesting and definitely worth having a read up on. Just illustrates that matter which road you choose those same old potholes are there waiting to trip you up!It was more to do with IR and emotional and physical stress during diet and weight loss which leads to raised bg and more work for the heart.
Which supports a constant GI bg level could be better than postprandial spikes but doesn't take into account any increased bg as the body frees up sugar stores during a period of diet and individual metabolic rates. And there's no way every body had the same base IR level to start with. (sorry that's off the top of my head as best as I can remember it)
But if your asking in a lower over all level of bg vs postprandial spikes give a stability in blood glucose levels thus puts less strain on the heart. I think that goes back to the rush hour traffic jam analogy. (which feels so long ago now but I think I was using it to say lessening the work load is the basic concept behind GI)
The Reverse Concept
The reverse would also have to be true with spikes and dips in bg where the dip would mean less work than GI's stability in blood glucose levels. IS it better to have longer periods of (relitive) inactivity with shorter bursts of increased activity. (before anyone jumps in here and points out that inactivity for the heart means dead)
This thinking holds true for muscles, and reducing IR in muscles, the heart is a muscle which can be Insulin Resistant just like any other.
My question would be as bg increases blood viscosity is the heart doing more work more of the time on GI it certainly seems to holds true for the microvascular model. And is that better than a short postprandial spikes IF the reverse concept holds true.
There is never a cardiologist around when you need one.
To be fair I don't define my diet as low GI but if I'm going to eat carbs I would much rather have them from the lower end of the GI spectrum. But then I wouldn't define my diet as low carb either compared to what some on this forum eat! I would like to just think my diet is healthy for me and as balanced as I can get it and keeps my bgs just where I want them which I guess is what all of us want one way or another.Thank you. So really, your diet is barely any different from someone low carbing on 60-100g a day without using the GI index.
This is what I can't understand when people say they are on a low GI diet. I would imagine the majority of us could say we are on a low GI diet. I'm sure I could. You haven't eliminated all starchy carbs, but nor have I. The only real difference between you and I is I don't eat fruit or porridge. I just portion control the potatoes, peas, carrots etc. to keep my daily amount lower than yours. It would never occur to me to class my way of eating as low GI as opposed to low carb/high fat.
To be fair I don't define my diet as low GI
One of the very first things I learned reading posts on here is everybody is different there is no "absolute way that is right" and you're way sound like it's working just fine for you.But then I wouldn't define my diet as low carb either compared to what some on this forum eat! I would like to just think my diet is healthy for me and as balanced as I can get it and keeps my bgs just where I want them which I guess is what all of us want one way or another.
You may well be right but I am not sure that I trust the index. I have only seen the Susanne Holt study from 1997, you would have thought there would have been several other studies during the intervening 20 years. Where are the peer reviews that are normally needed before we believe research findings?For T2D, it may be well worth exploring the insulin index rather than the glucose index. Simply because many of us are highly insulin resistant and would need 2-3x the normal levels of insulin for the same amount of carbs/proteins. So a low insulin lifestyle will give our exhausted pancreas some chance of recovery...
https://optimisingnutrition.com/2015/03/26/food-insulin-index/
Interesting concept and I would be happy to give it a look. IF I could find it.For T2D, it may be well worth exploring the insulin index r
Googling "food insulin index" yields a lot of results but all the articles I have read seem to use the data from the same study just differently presented.Interesting concept and I would be happy to give it a look. IF I could find it.
GI and GL tables are easy to find just google it and they are all over the place.
But trying to find a DII table is and other matter.
If anyone's got a link to one , preferably 2 lists so I can compare associated values, I would appreciate it.
(wikipedia does not count.)
Thanks Indy & @Mr_Pot.See @martykendall 's site for the Insulin Index
Ohhh I just loved her in the Good Place.Kirstine Bell
It seems like you think I am barred from google.It would just be nice to see some research from someone else.
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