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I say it depends on the breakdown. I was wrong to say 3.9 was too low as it is breakdown that matters.

Cholesterol is vital, we can´t function without it. I am not impressed by the research claiming low cholesterol is good for diabetics. I do however believe low triglyceride is good, as is high HDL. Regardless of the total.
 
Trigs were 1.7 I believe just not sure about HDL and LDL levels.




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Totto said:
I say it depends on the breakdown. I was wrong to say 3.9 was too low as it is breakdown that matters.

Cholesterol is vital, we can´t function without it. I am not impressed by the research claiming low cholesterol is good for diabetics. I do however believe low triglyceride is good, as is high HDL. Regardless of the total.
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Definitely. Total cholesterol by itself is almost meaningless, at best it's a clue to do some more detailed investigation. LDL/HDL ratio is a much better predictor of harm or health, as is a VLDL count. On another thread it was said that the trig to cholesterol ratio is a very powerful predictor, more so than trig count alone. The trick is persuading hospitals and GPs to do these more detailed lipid tests. :-)

Also trigs can be transiently higher during ketosis and are not necessarily a bad thing on a ketogenic diet. On a carb diet they are more clearly a bad sign.
 
There is new data around nowadays that is slowly dripping out that under 4.0 total cholesterol for diabetics is not a good recommendation. It was on a posting here only last week.


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donnellysdogs said:
There is new data around nowadays that is slowly dripping out that under 4.0 total cholesterol for diabetics is not a good recommendation. It was on a posting here only last week.
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There is a general finding that people with lower cholesterol, die earlier - all causes - and people with higher cholesterol, live longer.

It would be interesting to see the reports relating to diabetics.
 
Spiker said:
There is a general finding that people with lower cholesterol, die earlier - all causes - and people with higher cholesterol, live longer.

It would be interesting to see the reports relating to diabetics.
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Its for a old age group and I would want to look into that more, observation vs causation, chronic illnesses may be a factor in lower chol and earlier death within that age group, than someone in better health and appetite within the same old age group.
Up to age 60? lower chol have less deaths, the graphs I have seen on net are infact U shaped, too low and too high has higher risk
 
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jack412 said:
Its for a old age group and I would want to look into that more, observation vs causation, chronic illnesses may be a factor in lower chol and earlier death within that age group, than someone in better health and appetite within the same old age group.
Up to age 60? lower chol have less deaths, the graphs I have seen on net are infact U shaped, too low and too high has higher risk
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That's fair. However the causation question applies in spades to the cholesterol - CVD link and is the core of the statin controversy. If high cholesterol is just an indicator of cardiovascular disease, and not the actual cause, then suppressing cholesterol with statins would just be like turning off a warning light.

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Hadn't we agreed total cholesterol is utterly uninteresting? I seem to remember a couple of studies saying that high HDL is beneficial for all age groups.

And Spiker, is VLDL the same as trigs? If not, what is it?
 
Totto said:
Hadn't we agreed total cholesterol is utterly uninteresting? I seem to remember a couple of studies saying that high HDL is beneficial for all age groups.

And Spiker, is VLDL the same as trigs? If not, what is it?
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Well total cholesterol is irrelevant to cardiovascular disease, but it has some interesting links to longevity and to death from all causes.

VLDL is not the same as free triglycerides. VLDL is Very Low Density Lipoprotein. It is one of the components of (total) cholesterol. VLDL is a molecule produced in the liver to transport fat out of the liver, through the bloodstream, to other parts of the body, particularly the fat that is synthesised in the liver as a way of clearing up excess carbs. VLDL is a "big" (in microscopic terms) bubble that gets filled with fat.

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