Glycemic Index or Glycemic Load?

[AnnieC]

That explains your choice of avatar!

It's a doable diet with a few vegetarian tweaks

Isn't that much the same as LCHF

 

[Yorksman]

What i quoted was from the diabetic uk site. Maybe they need to update.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/images/infographic-thumbs/blood-glucose-ranges.gif

At least aim to be normal. It's much safer than aiming to be abnormal. I aim for below 7.0 rather than 7.8 because I like safety margins.

The diabetes.co.uk site follows standard NHS advice but, why do it when you can aim for better?

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html

 

[Paul59]

At least aim to be normal. It's much safer than aiming to be abnormal. I aim for below 7.0 rather than 7.8 because I like safety margins.

The diabetes.co.uk site follows standard NHS advice but, why do it when you can aim for better?

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html

I got my own ranges that I work to, but just gave info that anyone can find on the net, I do as I want to now I know what it's all about but at least if newbies use the info they will come across 1st on the net they will be on the right track as it's all about averages when it comes to having your hbA1c not what 1 meal or item of food does to you at that time. Staying below an average of 7.8 & your on the right side of the range for being or being pre diabeteic I believe, any average less than that & your doing good.

 

[Rose28]

To make it low GI/GL I leave out a lot of the fat, add more vegetables, some grains, some rice, pulses, fruit etc.
I avoid saturated fat, but I suppose to make it vegetarian you would avoid meat, fish, and poultry.

It's portion controlled, so there is a limit on yoghurt, cheese, butter, cream, olive oil etc.

A few tweaks and you're low GI/GL.

That sounds just perfect to me!

 

[Paul59]

People keep going on about Gi/Gl in thier posts, but you either Gi or Gl, there is a difference, if you choose low Gi & Gl at the same time you are cutting out alot of food you could be eating.
The glycemic index has been the basis of many popular diets. But it doesn't take into account the serving sizes people actually eat and eliminates too many foods for dieters to stick with it. Now a breakthrough program uses the glycemic load--the glycemic index adjusted for serving size--to take the GI a step forward. The glycemic load is a more accurate and effective tool in controlling weight and insulin resistance, allowing dieters to eat more foods while still burning fat, cutting cravings, and speeding up their metabolism. Safe, simple, and scientifically proven, it's the smartest weight-loss plan yet

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

People keep going on about Gi/Gl in thier posts, but you either Gi or Gl, there is a difference, if you choose low Gi & Gl at the same time you are cutting out alot of food you could be eating.
The glycemic index has been the basis of many popular diets. But it doesn't take into account the serving sizes people actually eat and eliminates too many foods for dieters to stick with it. Now a breakthrough program uses the glycemic load--the glycemic index adjusted for serving size--to take the GI a step forward. The glycemic load is a more accurate and effective tool in controlling weight and insulin resistance, allowing dieters to eat more foods while still burning fat, cutting cravings, and speeding up their metabolism. Safe, simple, and scientifically proven, it's the smartest weight-loss plan yet

“Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.”
― Marcus Aurelius

A low GL diet may be the smartest and a paleo diet may be the stupidest (even Grog can follow it!), but whatever works for you is all that's necessary. Since it's not practical for everyone to try every possible diet to see what's optimal for them, there's no way to know if the diet you are on is the best for you. So, everyone just has to do the best they can to figure it out for themselves. I can say that for me, a low GL diet does work, but only because I am very low GL.

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

Excellent, I'm sure the op had the right diet for them, as the thread title suggests.
I'm sure we've all defined what we believe a strict 'by the book' low GL diet is as well, and the op can read the links to the tables.

I'm not particularly sure about anything, except that we're all different. I'm not even sure I have the right diet for me and definitely can't speak for anyone else's diet for them. I don't think I've defined what I think a strict 'by the book' low GI diet is. Have we all done that? I'll have to reread all the posts in the thread.

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

No, you haven't.
It's not yours to define.

Google it, if you want a low GL diet.
As, I'm sure the op will decide what the most suitable diet for them will be.

“Waste no more time arguing about what a good diet should be. Eat one.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

 

[NoCrbs4Me]

True, After Eight ice cream is quite low GL. Not sure about the arguing part.

 

[douglas99]

'Don't Have a Cow, Man!'
- Bart Simpson

 

[Rose28]

Thank you for all your advice and links and suggestions ... I do understand the difference between GI and GL now.

 

[Yorksman]

@Rose28 I just noticed that you are a vegetarian so obviously the lamb stew is out so here is a recipe for a chole, which is a spicy chickpea dish. Chickpeas seemingly have a lot of carbs but most belong to a group called galactooligosaccharides, a type of carb which you don't diget by normal enzyme action. Consequently, they are very kind on the BG levels for most type 2s.

http://www.sailusfood.com/2011/03/16/punjabi-chole/

 

[Rose28]

@Rose28 I just noticed that you are a vegetarian so obviously the lamb stew is out so here is a recipe for a chole, which is a spicy chickpea dish. Chickpeas seemingly have a lot of carbs but most belong to a group called galactooligosaccharides, a type of carb which you don't diget by normal enzyme action. Consequently, they are very kind on the BG levels for most type 2s.

http://www.sailusfood.com/2011/03/16/punjabi-chole/

Mmmmmmm..... When I was a wee teenager .... This is the first dish I was taught how to cook ... And it's still mine and my family's favourite curry. Ooh and everything with paneer in it

Here's just one example

http://www.sailusfood.com/2006/05/05/butter-paneer-masala/

 

[Rose28]

@Yorksman I've never come across this word before.... "galactooligosaccharides" sounds important though... I'll ask Mr Google later! Lol

 

[Yorksman]

@Yorksman I've never come across this word before.... "galactooligosaccharides" sounds important though... I'll ask Mr Google later! Lol

I found a better explantion that the wiki one for you:

"Oligosaccharides are functional food ingredients that have great potential to improve the quality of food. Oligosaccharides have been associated with many health-promoting functions, which had been identified in many clinical studies, such as promoting the growth of Bifidobacterium in human intestine and balance of intestinal bacteria, modulation the immune response, inhibition of cancer and tumour and stimulation of mineral absorption (Mesina, 1999).

Legume grains are a rich source of galactooligosaccharides, namely raffinose and stachyose: raffinose is a trisaccharide containing a galactose linked -(1-6) to the glucose unit of sucrose; stachyose is a tetrasaccharide containing a galactose linked -(1-6) to the terminal galactose unit to raffinose. Humans cannot digest these oligosaccharides because they do not possess the enzyme α-galactosidase necessary for hydrolysing the linkage present in oligosaccharides in consumed food. Intact oligosaccharides reach the colon, where they are preferentially fermented by beneficial bifidogenic microorganisms that contain the enzyme. Fermentation of nondigestible oligosaccharides results in production of gases and short chain fatty acids, which are interesting because of their prebiotic activity associated with health benefits (Roberfroid and Slavin, 2000). Oligosaccharides potential as an ingredient of functional food makes the search for new sources interesting, as well as the development of methods that allow its isolation and purification in a simple and effective way (Guillon and Champ, 2002)."

The downside is, lots of people get wind if they eat too many. It's all that fermentation in the lower gut that does it. However, this is a useful rule of thumb for diabetics. If it gives you wind, it's not raising your BG levels.

WARNING - You may lose friends.

 

[Paul59]

Mmmmmmm..... When I was a wee teenager .... This is the first dish I was taught how to cook ... And it's still mine and my family's favourite curry. Ooh and everything with paneer in it

Here's just one example

http://www.sailusfood.com/2006/05/05/butter-paneer-masala/

That looks yummy.
Pleased to see you have learned the difference between Gi/Gl, it helps alot when choosing what to eat.

 

[Paul59]

The downside is, lots of people get wind if they eat too many. It's all that fermentation in the lower gut that does it. However, this is a useful rule of thumb for diabetics. If it gives you wind, it's not raising your BG levels.

WARNING - You may lose friends.

Interesting point that, I noticed when looking at the GL lists that foods with higher fiber content have lower GL values, So maybe adding bran to higher load foods such as underground veg may lower it's impact on raising blood glucose lvls. (more tests coming up, it looks like).
Bye Bye Friends. lol. Oh well who needs them anyway,
removed negative loaded point Anna29