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Greedy Lying B*****ds

al_leister

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012 ... n-goldacre

The drugs don't work: a modern medical scandal
The doctors prescribing the drugs don't know they don't do what they're meant to. Nor do their patients. The manufacturers know full well, but they're not telling.

Drugs are tested by their manufacturers, in poorly designed trials, on hopelessly small numbers of weird, unrepresentative patients, and analysed using techniques that exaggerate the benefits.


In 2010, researchers from Harvard and Toronto found all the trials looking at five major classes of drug – antidepressants, ulcer drugs and so on – then measured two key features: were they positive, and were they funded by industry? They found more than 500 trials in total: 85% of the industry-funded studies were positive, but only 50% of the government-funded trials were. In 2007, researchers looked at every published trial that set out to explore the benefits of a statin. These cholesterol-lowering drugs reduce your risk of having a heart attack and are prescribed in very large quantities. This study found 192 trials in total, either comparing one statin against another, or comparing a statin against a different kind of treatment. They found that industry-funded trials were 20 times more likely to give results favouring the test drug.
I did everything a doctor is supposed to do. I read all the papers, I critically appraised them, I understood them, I discussed them with the patient and we made a decision together, based on the evidence. In the published data, reboxetine was a safe and effective drug. In reality, it was no better than a sugar pill and, worse, it does more harm than good. As a doctor, I did something that, on the balance of all the evidence, harmed my patient, simply because unflattering data was left unpublished.
Drugs are tested by the people who manufacture them, in poorly designed trials, on hopelessly small numbers of weird, unrepresentative patients, and analysed using techniques that are flawed by design, in such a way that they exaggerate the benefits of treatments. Unsurprisingly, these trials tend to produce results that favour the manufacturer. When trials throw up results that companies don't like, they are perfectly entitled to hide them from doctors and patients, so we only ever see a distorted picture of any drug's true effects. Regulators see most of the trial data, but only from early on in a drug's life, and even then they don't give this data to doctors or patients, or even to other parts of government. This distorted evidence is then communicated and applied in a distorted fashion.
In their 40 years of practice after leaving medical school, doctors hear about what works ad hoc, from sales reps, colleagues and journals. But those colleagues can be in the pay of drug companies – often undisclosed – and the journals are, too. And so are the patient groups. And finally, academic papers, which everyone thinks of as objective, are often covertly planned and written by people who work directly for the companies, without disclosure. Sometimes whole academic journals are owned outright by one drug company. Aside from all this, for several of the most important and enduring problems in medicine, we have no idea what the best treatment is, because it's not in anyone's financial interest to conduct any trials at all.
Because researchers are free to bury any result they please, patients are exposed to harm on a staggering scale throughout the whole of medicine. Doctors can have no idea about the true effects of the treatments they give. Does this drug really work best, or have I simply been deprived of half the data? No one can tell. Is this expensive drug worth the money, or has the data simply been massaged? No one can tell. Will this drug kill patients? Is there any evidence that it's dangerous? No one can tell. This is a bizarre situation to arise in medicine, a discipline in which everything is supposed to be based on evidence.

Missing data poisons the well for everybody. If proper trials are never done, if trials with negative results are withheld, then we simply cannot know the true effects of the treatments we use. Evidence in medicine is not an abstract academic preoccupation. When we are fed bad data, we make the wrong decisions, inflicting unnecessary pain and suffering, and death, on people just like us.
• This is an edited extract from Bad Pharma, by Ben Goldacre, published next week by Fourth Estate at £13.99. To order a copy for £11.19, including UK mainland p&p, call 0330 333 6846, or go to guardian.co.uk/bookshop.
 
you do realise that quoting the entire article isn't fair use and can get other websites into trouble... all you needed was some short select quotes and add your own commentary on what your think those quotes mean to you... we ourselves can then take the option of following the link and giving the OTHER website the benefit of our eyeballs visiting it (ad revenue, hit figures, IP demographics etc.)
 
Thanks Paul

While you were posting I was cropping the article. Copied and pasted originally from word doc.
No commentary; just giving others the opportunity to read the truth.

Cheers
Al
 
paul_c ,do you have a problem with al_leister posting a good article ?

I have absolutely no problem with that post ! I think that you could be more accomodating (check spelling) in your replies.

On a personal level I have decide that the good old GP/NHS/Phrama Co's are full of S**t and the only reason d'etre is CASH !

Gone are the days when you could trust them to actually look after you.

Superchip
 
Superchip said:
paul_c ,do you have a problem with al_leister posting a good article ?

I have absolutely no problem with that post ! I think that you could be more accomodating (check spelling) in your replies.

On a personal level I have decide that the good old GP/NHS/Phrama Co's are full of S**t and the only reason d'etre is CASH !

Gone are the days when you could trust them to actually look after you.

Superchip

I don't think that Paul was objecting to the content of the article, just the copyright implications of cutting and pasting the whole thing...
 
I posted this article the other day.
 
OK borofergie, fair enough...

Good point, well made,but the more info available the better in my book.

Thanks, Superchip
 
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