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Grazer
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celast said:
No!
As defren said, could be higher later. Also, if you had something better for a snack, you might have been only, say, 6.5 after an hour so even better. Also, it may have been you were really nice and low before and ruined that with the pastry. ALSO, you may have been lucky and will get a 9 next time, ALSO.......running out of alsos, but you are a very wicked person! Sort of thing best avoided so you can get even better levels. Congrats on what you are getting overall though!
Grazer said:
I don't mean to be heartless, but the OP has a few 'slips' and they are always bakery items. I do absolutely understand this lifestyle is not easy, but can't help feeling the OP eats these things, then wants us to validate the 'slip'. He has been given all the advice we can give, yet still eats items he knows are bad.
This is my version, of saying, I agree with your post Sheepy!
I have to say I think this is a tad harsh, the general advice often given out is that if you test 7.8 or less after 2 hours then what you ate was probably ok. While I understand that this probably doesnt apply to something so high in carbs and sugar I dont think its necessary to be quite so judgemental towards somebody for asking the question. Everybody starts of with a different level of understanding and need different amounts of time to get their head arround what changes they need to make. I realise I am new here too and appreciate the good advice that is given by more established members but this thread comes across as "three strikes and you're out", where as I think people need to be allowed to make mistakes, even if they seem lkke obvious ones to those who have already established how they can eat well for themselves.
Grazer
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Whoa, slow down Markvat! My comments were lighthearted in terms of "evil person". I've communicated a lot with Celast and I'm sure he realises that my post was meant that way!
On a more general point, yes, 7.8 is seen as ok as a maximum; but why go to the max if you don't have to? Also, it's a bit like smoking; you can't give up and have "the occasional fag". New diabetics need to "give up" pastry rich carbs. When they've been under control for a while, if they want to slip, that's up to them. But being nice, like my useless dietician was, and saying "go on, the occasional mince pie won't hurt" is doing no-one favours.
On a more general point, yes, 7.8 is seen as ok as a maximum; but why go to the max if you don't have to? Also, it's a bit like smoking; you can't give up and have "the occasional fag". New diabetics need to "give up" pastry rich carbs. When they've been under control for a while, if they want to slip, that's up to them. But being nice, like my useless dietician was, and saying "go on, the occasional mince pie won't hurt" is doing no-one favours.
marvkat said:
Sorry if you don't like the approach, but I won't molly coddle someone into either blindness, disability or an early grave. I dish out loads of advice, and will continue to do so, as I want people to learn, as I did. You want people coddled? Fine, that's your way and I don't have a problem with it, but it's not my way, and I am not changing to suit some peoples sensitivities. Diabetes is killing thousands of people a year, it's not like a touch of the common cold!
My comment came from the point of view of a new member reading the thread 'cold' so to speak so I appologise if i miss read your comment grazer. Im well aware how serious a condition this is but i also believe that people need time to readjust, if I were a new member who was slightly less bolshy then this could well have scared me off from ever posting a question. I really do appreciate that you both spend a great deal of time and effort trying to help people and this is incredably valuable to a lot of people, please dont think that I was trying to be confrontational, i wasnt, this just really struck a cord with me as someone also newly diagnosed who has been very much confussed by conflicting advice from different sources. Trying to be completely perfect right from the off made me increadibly ill with my hair falling out and experienci
ng panic attacks, sometimes its ok to need a little hand holding.
ng panic attacks, sometimes its ok to need a little hand holding.
Hi, I just wanted to add, personally when I was diagnosed I went cold turkey and still pretty much am. Nothing that is not meat, veg oafish or salad passes these lips it's not worth it, I have going over 6.5. (apart from jubilee party, but I suffered the next day but expected that. For me I would just ignore anything that looks like a cake or sweets for a least 2 months, then I would only touch low sugar low carb stuff, have a look at lowcarbmegastore.co.uk if you really want treats.
Not having a go, just my view.
Not having a go, just my view.
marvkat said:
I don't have a problem with hand holding, go and read some of my posts on the newby threads. The thing is how many times do you warn someone about sugar and flour - every day, every 'slip' every post? How often. The OP had a scarey experience with a tea cake only a day or so ago, so today 'slip' and eat more bakery. When do you propose we change from hand holding to tough love (or in this case tough facts) in an attempt to help someone? I was a newbie here once, and I was called a drama Queen one day when I panicked. I deserved it, kicked my own ass, and am where I am today. As a newby I wasn't upset by being called out, I needed it and deserved it. Do you suppose a new poster would have been scared off by that as well? Diabetes needs explaining, education, advising, hand holding, and if all that fails, stark truth. It's that simple. Go to the complications forum and then tell me I'm wrong!!
Hi Biohazard, I think it is great if you are able to go 'cold turkey' and it sounds like you are doing fantastically well. My main concern was that this isn't always possible for everybody and I think it's ok to do it gradually and make mistakes, I tried to go cold turkey, failed miserably, and am now tackling things gradually. I could easily have gone the other way and said @!$@ it and gone off and done everything wrong for a lot longer because I couldn't live up to the pressure of being perfect straight away. This is a very personal reaction but I would be very suprised if there aren't other people in the first few months after diagnosis feeling a similar way.
Defren, I think maybe we ought to just agree to disagree as we clearly have different ideas about the best way to go about things and I don't want to fall out with anybody. I think that yes, some people who are lurking will definitely be scared off by that kind of 'tough love' but I am willing to conceed that for some it may be motivating. I'm not going to get into pulling apart previous posts, I could explain my position further but I think we will just go round in circles which is probably not helpful.
I appologise celast for hijacking the thread a bit but as I have said above sometimes things hit a nerve!
Defren, I think maybe we ought to just agree to disagree as we clearly have different ideas about the best way to go about things and I don't want to fall out with anybody. I think that yes, some people who are lurking will definitely be scared off by that kind of 'tough love' but I am willing to conceed that for some it may be motivating. I'm not going to get into pulling apart previous posts, I could explain my position further but I think we will just go round in circles which is probably not helpful.
I appologise celast for hijacking the thread a bit but as I have said above sometimes things hit a nerve!
What about these foods,can you or can't you ?
1) Chips (restaurant)
2) Cheese omelette
3) Sausage roll
4)steak pie
5) small cornet ice cream
6)gammon steak
7)corn beef hash
8)diabetic marmalade on toast
9)English fry up, bacon eggs tomatoes, ETC
10) Fruit in own juice with low fat cream
please reply to numbers only,its easier, thanks
1) Chips (restaurant)
2) Cheese omelette
3) Sausage roll
4)steak pie
5) small cornet ice cream
6)gammon steak
7)corn beef hash
8)diabetic marmalade on toast
9)English fry up, bacon eggs tomatoes, ETC
10) Fruit in own juice with low fat cream
please reply to numbers only,its easier, thanks
lucylocket61
Expert
I can eat 2 and 9 - thats all.
I'd not eat any of those, but at a push I would eat a plain omelette if I had to.
I certainly would not touch a bakewell tart because it is just not worth it to me. Keeping my levels low and extending my life are more important to me than a sweet treat that is just going to put my levels up and may ultimately cause complications if I had too many of them. It's all a case of priorities really.
I certainly would not touch a bakewell tart because it is just not worth it to me. Keeping my levels low and extending my life are more important to me than a sweet treat that is just going to put my levels up and may ultimately cause complications if I had too many of them. It's all a case of priorities really.
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Anonymous
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marvkat said:
There are many people who join this forum who have spent years doing very little, or following the NHS advice. Habits can be very hard to break for most of us.
Jeannemum said:
Whilst I agree habits are hard to break, nothing is more important to me than living as long as I can for my wife my 4 year old son and our new baby due in October, if that means instantly giving up food stuffs for no/low carb food and doing what's needed then there's no argument in my view.
Congratulations on the new baby
I completely agree that what you are doing is probably the best possible way to go about things.
I also believe that this isn't possible for everyone straight away, it takes time sometimes for people to even understand what a carbohydrate is let alone what foods they're in. I'm not going to go over arguments I've already made too much, for me it was all too much on diagnosis, I hit the ground running then fell flat on my face. While I am very well aware of the serious complications which can come this is also a life long condition for which everyone needs to find their own lifelong solution, and need to be able to ask the same question 10 times if needed til it all sinks in.
I completely agree that what you are doing is probably the best possible way to go about things.
I also believe that this isn't possible for everyone straight away, it takes time sometimes for people to even understand what a carbohydrate is let alone what foods they're in. I'm not going to go over arguments I've already made too much, for me it was all too much on diagnosis, I hit the ground running then fell flat on my face. While I am very well aware of the serious complications which can come this is also a life long condition for which everyone needs to find their own lifelong solution, and need to be able to ask the same question 10 times if needed til it all sinks in.
marvkat said:Congratulations on the new baby
I completely agree that what you are doing is probably the best possible way to go about things.
I also believe that this isn't possible for everyone straight away, it takes time sometimes for people to even understand what a carbohydrate is let alone what foods they're in. I'm not going to go over arguments I've already made too much, for me it was all too much on diagnosis, I hit the ground running then fell flat on my face. While I am very well aware of the serious complications which can come this is also a life long condition for which everyone needs to find their own lifelong solution, and need to be able to ask the same question 10 times if needed til it all sinks in.
Thanks
I think asking 100 questions a day if needed is acceptable. But if the answer is always the same it should sinking in.. Anyways I think it's move on time :thumbup:
