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Incredible.....it really is! :roll:

Lets say one of his flock takes on-board his advice, steals from a multi-national, gets caught by a assistant on the minimum wage, then assaults her/him for their troubles, I wonder how this man of the cloth will perceive this, or indeed justify it. Stealing is stealing........no more can be said!

It just proves to those that say that we are living in a 'broken society'. This, among countless other things that has happened in my life over recent years, diminishes my faith furthermore.

Regards

Nigel
 
Anarchy !!!!!!!!
Merry Crimbo from the church :lol:
we can't keep criminals in prison as it is Imagine if we all went robin hood on tescos.
 
I think i understand what he meant.
I don't think he was telling people to steal.
If all of us were doing the right things, no-one would need to steal. We would make sure that they didn't go hungry.
I do get upset by beggars and although I won't give money, I have given food.
Hana
 
OK, so the vicar thinks it's Ok to steal....only from the rich though ???

So, I should get my swag bag then and nip down to the local church, swipe some of the Gold and Silver. That's Ok, isn't it.....the Vicar told me it's Ok to steal.......or is that not quite what he meant...... :?

Whichever way you look at it it is stealing....Theft !
 
Perhaps this is a case where brain should be put in gear before opening mouth - and then stand on foot to avoid inserting it in mouth. :roll:
 
I CAN SEE a difference between a hungry person, stealing food to eat, or for their child to eat, and a greedy one stealing something as intrinsically useless as Gold.
Hana
 
hanadr said:
I CAN SEE a difference between a hungry person, stealing food to eat, or for their child to eat, and a greedy one stealing something as intrinsically useless as Gold.
Hana
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I know what you mean.

I have known many families over the years. They were some of the poorest people you could meet in the Western world.

They all had one particular trait......honesty. They were in dire straits yet would never dream of stealing ANYTHING. They had the honesty and the integrity to know that Theft is Theft, whichever way you look at it. Maybe their standards are better than ours ? They would never countenance such behaviour no matter how bad things were. I CAN SEE that !
 
They all had one particular trait......honesty. They were in dire straits yet would never dream of stealing ANYTHING. They had the honesty and the integrity to know that Theft is Theft,
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Is it?
What about this one of Kohlberg's classic moral dilemmas? It's 50 years old now but it illustrates the principle
A woman was near death from a special kind of cancer. There was one drug that the doctors thought might save her. It was a form of radium that a druggist in the same town had recently discovered. The drug was expensive to make, but the druggist was charging ten times what the drug cost him to produce. He paid $200 for the radium and charged $2,000 for a small dose of the drug. The sick woman's husband, Heinz, went to everyone he knew to borrow the money, but he could only get together about $1,000 which is half of what it cost. He told the druggist that his wife was dying and asked him to sell it cheaper or let him pay later. But the druggist said: "No, I discovered the drug and I'm going to make money from it." So Heinz got desperate and broke into the man's store to steal the drug for his wife.
Should Heinz have broken into the store to steal the drug for his wife? Why or why not?
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more and interpretation of answers here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_dilemma
 
Phoenix.
In answer to your question, "Is it ?" The answer would always be YES. It is Theft.

I agree that in those circumstances outlined, which I have seen before, then the man would have a case for stealing the drug. It wouldn't be right, neither would it be wrong. The man in the story would be guilty of Theft, however, he would have mitigating circumstances and I doubt any jury in the land would convict him ? That includes me ! If it was me instead of Heinz I would do the same.

However this set of circumstances you quote is a hypothetical question which really has nothing to do with the good Vicar telling his 'flock' it is OK to go out and steal from a particular store. A man of the Cloth advocating Theft ? Dear me....! How about the Chief Constable advocating stealing peoples cars, so the people who simply can't afford them can ride around in luxury, we could go on....and on ad nauseam !

What's next....adultery (though some don't need any encouragement for that) or any of the other Ten Commandments ? His logic is flawed. Simple, but ultimately not a good idea....... :roll:

An interesting analogy though. Life's all about decisions, we stand and fall by them. Some are wrong, some are right and some....well....that's another question. :wink:

I like philosophy, takes you to many places. Many great discussions. I like the thought that we are all responsible for our own actions, good or bad. That's life as they say.

Ken.
 
Ken
you are not by any chance a magistrate are you?
Hana
 
hanadr said:
Ken
you are not by any chance a magistrate are you?
Hana
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Hana.
Now why on earth would you think that ?

Your memory seems to be going. Have you forgotten I upheld the law in the West Midlands Police for 28 years, but the words are my philosophy, not taken from a book or instructions. What my parents and teachers instilled into me many years ago. I also learned from experiences and life events. They shape the mind, the Man. Life is full of 'Grey' areas don't you think. That's me Hana....take it or leave it. :D

I was once asked if I wished to become a Magistrate after I retired, I declined. It is a thankless task. Everybody has their own ideas about Justice..... :| They all think THEY are right, so somebody has to be a referee. Make the judgement. Well, I used to catch 'em, then somebody else did the donkey work and dealt with 'em after. Not my problem.

My this forum is getting intense....I only wanted a nice quiet Monday to recover from too much Turkey and Christmas Cake.....now look what's happened. :wink:

Ken
 
I have NEVER stollen anything in my life myself and through 40 years as a teacher, I didn't take stuff home unless it was for school work and even provided colouring pencils for the kids from my own resources( thank heavens for the pound shop), But I wouldn't condemn a starving person who took food. I would be ashamed that I hadn' given it
Hana
Ps I was a secondary teacher and colouring pencils "disappear2 quite rapidly.
 
hanadr said:
I have NEVER stollen anything in my life myself and through 40 years as a teacher, I didn't take stuff home unless it was for school work and even provided colouring pencils for the kids from my own resources( thank heavens for the pound shop), But I wouldn't condemn a starving person who took food. I would be ashamed that I hadn' given it
Hana
Ps I was a secondary teacher and colouring pencils "disappear2 quite rapidly.
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Hana.
Very commendable. Such high standards. I too have never stolen anything in my life. I too wouldn't as you say, ' condemn a starving person who had stolen food. I would still have had to deal with them, I didn't have a choice. Personal feelings didn't come into it. I personally have no need to feel ashamed for any views I have posted here and neither do I. They are my personal views which obviously are not yours. We shall have to differ on some things then.

How has a topic that started with a Priest telling his congregation that it is OK to steal and asking what we felt about it turned into something akin to ......you heartless person ? Have I said I would condemn anyone ? I have since answered Phoenix's quite sensible question. I do not feel the need to have to defend MY views on this forum.

You may think what you will, do not put words there where there are none ! It is also a fact that we are all entitled to our own opinions, however some are best left unsaid !
 
Now what is really funny is that a member of the vicar's congregation got so mad at the advice he was giving out that he tipped a bucket of pasta over the said vicar. And the parishioner paid for the pasta himself. :lol:
 
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