IanD
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noblehead said:A heart surgeon with a dodgy past now selling books......whatever next :shock:
Keep your money in your pockets people
IanD said:We all "know" that Atkins died of a heart attack, & was morbidly obese when he died. The truth doesn't matter.
noblehead said:IanD said:We all "know" that Atkins died of a heart attack, & was morbidly obese when he died. The truth doesn't matter.
A leaked report did indeed show he was morbidly obese and had heart disease, he admitted to having a heart attack in 2002 when interviewed on tv some time before his death, had Mrs Atkins not threatened to sue the City of New York if they released the cause of of her husbands death then we would all know the truth.......did she and the Atkins Foundation have something to hide?........make your own minds up.
I don't know much about Briffa or his like but if you want to believe and follow their example with regards to cardio health that's fine, me personally I'll stick with what I know works for me and follow the advice of the Cardiologists I spoke with last year and that of the worlds leading experts on Cardiovascular health.
The Truth About Atkins' Death
Cardiomyopathy
In 2000, Dr. Atkins developed cardiomyopathy, an incurable heart condition which has quite a few different causes. His was thought to be from a viral illness, and his physician stated at the time that there was no evidence that his diet contributed to the condition. His coronary arteries were reported to have been checked at that time and found to be free of blockages.
Cardiomyopathy makes it more likely that a person will have a cardiac arrest (heart stopping), which happened to him two years later. Again, the cardiac arrest was not thought to be diet related. His cardiologist stated that (other than the cardiomyopathy), Atkins had "an extraordinarily healthy cardiovascular system". News report about that incident.
Was Atkins Overweight?
William Leith, an writer who interviewed him around the time of his cardiac arrest stated that "he looks to be just under 6 feet tall and around 200 lbs – not skinny, not thin, but definitely not fat." A report from Atkins Nutritionals states that he played tennis competitively and that his weight was frequently checked, and in the years before his death was below 195, and six feet tall. And a medical report at the time of his admission to the hospital, which was later made public by his widow, states that he was 195 lbs on admission to the hospital.
Atkins' Death
On April 8, 2003, at age 72, Dr. Atkins slipped on the ice while walking to work, hitting his head and causing bleeding around his brain. He lost consciousness on the way to the hospital, where he spent two weeks in intensive care. His body deteriorated rapidly and he suffered massive organ failure. During this time, his body apparently retained an enormous amount of fluid, and his weight at death was recorded at 258 pounds. His death certificate states that the cause of death was "blunt impact injury of head with epidural hematoma".
When the substance of an argument cannot be challenged, "we" have to discredit the person promoting the argument. It's a well established method called "ad hominem."
IanD said:We all "know" that Atkins died of a heart attack, & was morbidly obese when he died. The truth doesn't matter.
Sid Bonkers said:
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co.uk ... -diet.htmlStephan Guyenet said:When glucose is poison, it's better to eat fat.
noblehead said:Dr Atkins died last year, aged 72, after slipping on an icy footpath in Manhattan. His medical report lists the cause of death as head injury.
Dr Atkins, a cardiologist, said in a TV interview three months before he died that he had a heart attack in 2002 and that he believed his heart disease was caused by a virus.
borofergie said:Saying that "because Robert Atkins (maybe) died of a heart attack, you shouldn't eat a low-carb diet" is just about the same as saying "don't be nice to people, in case you get crucified like Jesus".
Ad hominem indeed.
borofergie said:So in the absence of any credible scientific evidence against the Atkins diet, we're reduced to touting conspiracy theories.
Stinks of a lost argument to me.
phoenix said:Science moves on and so (hopefully) does advice from mainstream sources but there is still evidence that patterns of eating that include high amounts of sat far are associated with higher levels of heart disease.
A recent study (amongst the many) suggested that plasma concentrations of saturated fatty acids are associated with increased risk of CHD and that concentrations of omega-6 poly-unsaturated fatty acids are associated with decreased risk of CHD. This same study suggested , along with others, that different fatty acids within fatty acid families may play a role in increasing or decreasing risks (ie some types of the different fats may be good some types bad)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3389034/
noblehead said:borofergie said:So in the absence of any credible scientific evidence against the Atkins diet, we're reduced to touting conspiracy theories.
Stinks of a lost argument to me.
Each to their own Stephen, as we have said many times on the forum for a number of years now......''stick with what best works for you''.......if this means following diet guru's and buying their books then so be it!
borofergie said:Why don't you "stick to what best works for you" and not spend so much effort rubbishing low-carbing?
noblehead said:borofergie said:Why don't you "stick to what best works for you" and not spend so much effort rubbishing low-carbing?
Oh dear!!!...................how strange you say that when I eat reduced carbs myself, when someone resorts to personal insults they are losing the argument.
You need to calm down Stephen, read a good book on relaxation techniques :wink:
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