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nomoredonuts

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I'm just starting the first baby steps towards a new part of my life. To give some brief background, I had largely ignored symptoms of tiredness and excessive weeing over most of last year (for reasons I'll come to later), but when I dropped about seven pounds over Christmas, I thought that was odd. I have never varied much from 12st 7- 12st 10 for years and despite my usual approach to festive food and drink, I still lost weight.
In January, at a routine medication review I asked for a urine test. The surgery were on the phone within a few hours asking me to come for a blood test the next morning. They did an HbA1c and I didn't need to wait for the results to confirm what I suspected. My Type 2 'score' was 104, so not much room for doubt.
I started on Metformin, 1x 500mg, then 2x500mg, and I'm experiencing all the hilarious side effects described on these pages...
Before arriving here with all you lovely people, I knew nothing about diabetes. I cannot get on the NHS education session until late April, which seems a long time away. I have a million questions and I hope you will all bear with me.
 
@nomoredonuts - Hello and Welcome to the Forum. I will tag @daisy1 who will provide you with some basic information that all newbies receive. Have a read and ask any questions - someone will answer.
 
great attitude !! welcome to the forum.

small steps is the right way to tackle this because it lasts a long long time

and remember to praise yourself for the things you do right --
 
Hi @nomoredonuts
Welcome to the forum. Wow April is a fair while off. I have found it is a great place to get all the information you need. Have a look around at the posts and ask any questions you want.

We are all pretty shocked when first diagnosed but there are many things you can do to bring your sugar levels under control.

My initial advice to you is GET A METER so you can measure your sugar levels and start to control them. In the shorter term cut out Sugar and the white carbs, Pasta , Rice , Bread and Potato as these will spike your sugar levels

Don't be afraid to ask any question here and you will get responses
 
Hi and welcome. If the Metformin problems don't fade away then ask to be changed to Metformin SR (Slow Release). Do ask any questions you have on the forum. Unexpected weight loss can occasionally caused by being Late onset T1 and not T2, but there can be other reasons. If with a low-carb diet and the Medication your blood sugar doesn't come down into the right area then do ask for more information.
 
Thanks, @liam1955, @mo53, @himtoo, @muzza3 and @Daibell, for your kind words.
I'll have a couple of hours browsing and I'm sure that will answer a lot of my initial enquiries.
Quick one though to see what you think. I had a meal recently which was a fair bit of cold meats, chorizos and some cheese. Main course was grilled lamb, chicken, rabbit, pork. I had no veg and only a scrap of bread. Oh yes and 3 or more glasses of wine. Next morning and most of the following day I had colossal, explosive, (too much detail?) runs. But i had chills too, jelly legs, shakes and stomach pains and couldn't get warm until well past midnight, when all symptoms ceased.
I've ruled out food poisoning so was this just another day in the life of Metformin and Me?
 
@nomoredonuts

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope this will answer some of your million questions. Carry on asking questions and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hello and welcome.
Dont worry to much about the course,its worth going but I learnt much more from the forum.
 
@nomoredonuts - Hi.. It could well be the Metformin? A lot of Diabetics are not suited to it. But don't suffer - go back and see your GP and/or Diabetes Nurse as it can be changed to a slow release Metformin which is better tolerated.
 
Thanks @liam1955.
It was a bit scary. I was up a mountain in the Pyrenees, with a poor signal and no wifi. Since then I have vowed to watch my alcohol intake and not take the Metformin with a swig of wine! I've stopped taking sugar in drinks. Baby steps!
 
Hi nomoredonuts
Could actully be a number of factors
  • The Metformin
  • I felt the cold a lot when I significantly cut back my carbs and have seen others make the same comment
  • Try and add some low starch vegetables each day such as Cauliflower, Broccoli, Cabbage, Zucchini etc to get some fibre in to your daily diet
 
I've been back in Blighty a week now and been whizzing up heaps of veggies in my new whizzer. I fussed at my surgery about having to wait 11 weeks to learn about the condition and now have an appt with a diabetes nurse. I'll ask her for a machine and generally pick brains about how best to move forward.
Thank again to all for making me welcome. X
 
Just a quick word of warning... I have found my surgery to be less than enthusiastic about a low carb high fat diet and felt that I knew more about my condition than the diabetes nurse who I saw after immersing myself in this forum for a few days. You may well be lucky and find one of the enlightened ones.. if so hold onto them. Also you may not get a monitor from your surgery. Let us know what they say. In the meantime read lots here and ask lots of questions.. I have had superb results following the diet recommended by many here and hope you will too.
All the best
Mark
 

In my personal experience, they don't rail too much when I use the term "reduced carbs". They rarely ask exactly what that means, assuming you mean their view of still eating lots of supposedly good carbs. The fat aspect is more of a challenge as the low fat mantra seems to be well ingrained, still. To be fair, I didn't increase my fats (aside from swapping any low fat foods for their full fat variants) until I got close to my targets - particularly weight, and then only as much as would balance the loss/gain scale.

To anyone who enquires, I now refer to my way of eating as "reduced carb, with enough fat". Sometimes they ask for more detail, and some just paint their own picture, but few swallow their tongues and turn blue at the very notion of that.

I'm not saying my way is the right or the only way, but it makes some discussions more tolerable, all around.
 
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The last twice I have been in a situation where a health care professional has been discussing how I shouldn't be testing cos I am just a T2, and that I should be stuffing brown carbs, I have just shrugged and said something like
'Well, the meter helped me identify which foods were sending my blood glucose high, and now I avoid them.'​
Not my problem if they don't pick up on the subtext: I eat LCHF and am sparing you the heart attack you would get if you discovered I eat my own bodyweight in saturated fat every day and get all my carbs from non-starchy veg, berries and 70% choc!

 
When I was told I shouldn't be testing, I asked the nurse if this is what she would do, in my shoes.

The room went so quiet, it almost deafened me.

I took that to be my lead to crack on with
 
When I had my diagnosis I had already found this forum, so I told my GP I was considering a Low Carb approach, with more fats. You would have thought I had told him the funniest joke ever, he thought it was the funniest and most ridiculous thing he had ever heard.

The next two times I saw him were to get my 3 month and then 9 month HbA1c results, he doesn't laugh about my diet choices any more, and although I doubt he agrees with it, he now just tells me to continue with what I'm doing because it's working.

@nomoredonuts my advice FWIW, is to concentrate on stopping eating Carbohydrates, and the rest will fall into place. Don't overthink it, or experiment too much in the initial phase. Once you have some good control, and your BG's come down you will be in a better position to try to find a longer term way of eating that will suit your lifestyle.
 
Thanks to all. I'm seeing the DSN this afternoon. I'll post an update as to how I get on with diet advice and getting a meter.
 
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