I lost 3 stone 2013 without trying. Suffered then from low and tiredness. Last year went off food really depressed crying unable to think or concentrate. Things got worse. Craved nothing but carbs such as cakes. off food. evertthing I ate affected me. low and sleeping on porridge, felt awful by end of year. I bag of crisps and Ibrain dead and on and off have blurry vision. Salmon a.m. felt soo tired and slept hours. I cup of tea and two biscuits so down and can hardly stay awake. I ate cake and felt just awful. I know I have not been absorbing nutrients and have aged a lot in last year. Stomach swells. I get pain in middle chest and under right rib. Now I am even thirstier no matter how much I drink. The drug I take can cause diaetis (quetiapin) In last 6 weeks I have slept 11 hours at night on it> Iam getting all its side affects. (used to be fine on it for years on 20 It is staying in my system too long I know something not right. I do have a gallstone. Sugars range from 4 to 10.9 after waking up for 2 hours after cake!! I am getting all the side effects listed for the drug which does include dry mouth thirst but I only started to get thirsty last year. It has got worse. But I am not peeing that much until today when I seem to be going more. Does anyone have any ideas. Are the GPs right. They keep saying I am not diabetic but I feel so lousy and all bloods are OK. So so fed up. I just don't want to eat.!! Thanks for reading.
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Hello they keep telling me I am just pre diabetic.
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CollieBoy
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@basten60
I suppose it's a bit like hypos: some feel great at 3.1, others hit a "false hypo" at 5.6 and feel ****!
You feel like a D and they say you are "just" pre-D, pre-D is like "a little pregnant" IMHO
My advice to you, treat yourself as D and try cutting back carbs, see if you can improve your BG control and feel better!
Good Luck.
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@basten60
Hello and welcome to the forum
I agree with Fergus that you should treat yourself as diabetic for the sake of your health and so that you will feel better. Here is the information we give to new members which I suggest you read carefully, especially the information on carbs. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.
BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS
Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.
A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.
On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.
The role of carbohydrate
Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.
If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.
The bad news
Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.
The good news
People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.
Controlling your carbs
The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
Reduce your carbohydrates
A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.
The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.
Choosing better carbohydrates
Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html
The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.
Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes
Eating what works for you
Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.
To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.
The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:
Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.
You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic
Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Hello and welcome to the forum
I agree with Fergus that you should treat yourself as diabetic for the sake of your health and so that you will feel better. Here is the information we give to new members which I suggest you read carefully, especially the information on carbs. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS
Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.
A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.
On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.
The role of carbohydrate
Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.
If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.
The bad news
Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.
The good news
People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.
Controlling your carbs
The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
- Reduce your carbohydrate intake
- Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates
A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.
The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.
Choosing better carbohydrates
Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html
The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.
Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes
Eating what works for you
Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.
To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.
The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:
Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
- Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
- 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
- Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
- 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
- Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
- 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
- structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
- self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education
Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.
You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic
Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Hi basten. welcome to the forum. We will be asking you for a bit more information I am sure. I will start by asking you what you mean by "Sugars range from 4 to 10.9 after waking up for 2 hours after cake" do you mean you are usually about 4 when you wake and 10.9 2 hours after eating cake? If that is so how much and what type of cake? In the mean time, try to calm down. If your bloods seem ok, diabetes is not something which is likely to have any sudden effect on you. Can you tell us what any of these results were?
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Hi. The drug Quetiapin according to info on the web via Google has many possible sdie effects so it is difficult to know what is affecting what. I agree with FergusC that you should addopt a low-carb diet on the assumption you are diabetic. You may not be but it won't do any harm. If you are overweight then the low-carb diet will help reduce any excess blood sugar and make it easier for you and the GP to separate out the real cause of your various symptoms.
Hello basten.
I think you need to settle yourself down. What i mean by that is:
* address your sleep problems - make sure you have a routine, try a little exercise, try not to oversleep or sleep during the day
* eat regular balanced meals- you may not feel like it but you need to sort yourself out
* take steps to address any stress in your life, try relaxation tecniques
You sound like you're all out of kilter
Best wishes to you, and keep posting - you will get lots of advice and support on this site, whether you are diabetic or not.
I think you need to settle yourself down. What i mean by that is:
* address your sleep problems - make sure you have a routine, try a little exercise, try not to oversleep or sleep during the day
* eat regular balanced meals- you may not feel like it but you need to sort yourself out
* take steps to address any stress in your life, try relaxation tecniques
You sound like you're all out of kilter
Best wishes to you, and keep posting - you will get lots of advice and support on this site, whether you are diabetic or not.
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Hi there.
I agree with the notion that you need to settle down - and I recommend Deepak Chopra and Oprah Winfrey's meditations - absolutely FANTASTIC. But more stress isn't going to help you. Consider some of this info below that I've learned: pre-diabetic means you're in trouble. Don't fear. Fight.
I recommend you use YouTube to look at Type II Diabetes Reversal AFTER you read the very latest proven scientific research on this, here:
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm
https://campus.recap.ncl.ac.uk/Panopto/Pages/Embed.aspx?id=c3bef819-e5f4-4a55-876f-0a23436988ed&v=1
https://campus.recap.ncl.ac.uk/Panopto/Pages/Embed.aspx?id=c3bef819-e5f4-4a55-876f-0a23436988ed&v=1
More on this diet and diabetes reversal:
(news just as it broke)
And on this very site:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diet/newcastle-study-600-calorie-diet.html
Newcastle University LEADS the way on this VIA EVIDENCE-BASED PROVEN RESEARCH, and I am on a mission to reverse my diabetes and may well have already - as I've shed 22 pounds in 14 days on the Newcastle Diet and may have kickstarted my systems. I did this once before, lost 40 pounds in six weeks and then rebounded and binged my way back to diabetic for another two years...until now. This time I'm armed with thoughts of a life-long exit plan, my new lifestyle and diet - and mental mindset needed to combat the compulsion to overeat and eat junk food, as I have.
There are excellent compelling videos here:
Dated but still relevent:
His results are not consistent, and it's likely because people are ingesting too many carbs, but he paints a compelling story as to why this disease should be fought on a personal front:
An absolutely EXCELLENT VIDEO ON WHAT IS GOING ON WITH BLOOD SUGAR IN THE BLOOD AND CELLS and how to deal with it - and why:
A documentary a friend sent me, which I have yet to watch, but I look forward to watching it - beating Type II with raw foods:
FIGHT this by getting good and close to the truth and science about Diabetes and its effects, and by getting real about what diabetes means. In the first four years, on medication, you can face little to no damage to your body because of the medication, and then it gets worse. It's not a joke, and I believe strongly that the sooner people in society own up to this, as was shown by Katie Hopkins on TV (bless her bigoted soul - I say that sarcastically), the better. I'm on a 'wake up' plan.
Whatever works for you, I'm sure you'll find your way. DO expect your doctors to undersell the idea you can reverse this...because most people will not make the necessary sacrifices and mental/practical changes needed. But know that the science is in: IF you immediately shed weight and cut your diet to 2/3 of what you were eating before (or half if you were binging like a nut), forever...you'll get there. The Newcastle research shows that it's not about diet, only. It's about calories. Keep the calories down and exercise to ensure that blood sugar is mopped up from the blood stream into the cells. Lose fat immediately to clean out the fat in your pancreas and liver that are preventing insulin from working properly, etc.
That's my quick summary of what I've learned on this subject. Good luck and be strong. Find compelling reasons to regain your health - for me, a friend is dying of cancer she CAN'T cure. At least our disease, by and large, is curable except for a few people with a special resistance. This is a lifestyle disease. Kick the bad habits forever, and you won't have to second guess your eating forever, which was and is my main motivation for reversing this and keeping it reversed. You have a chance to stop yourself from going down the slippery slope. Grief and feeling sorry for yourself are par for the course. I find watching videos gives me the motivation to stop that negative cycle and take action.
Now, I'm off to the gym for a workout and swim after.
Best wishes,
Meme
I agree with the notion that you need to settle down - and I recommend Deepak Chopra and Oprah Winfrey's meditations - absolutely FANTASTIC. But more stress isn't going to help you. Consider some of this info below that I've learned: pre-diabetic means you're in trouble. Don't fear. Fight.
I recommend you use YouTube to look at Type II Diabetes Reversal AFTER you read the very latest proven scientific research on this, here:
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm
https://campus.recap.ncl.ac.uk/Panopto/Pages/Embed.aspx?id=c3bef819-e5f4-4a55-876f-0a23436988ed&v=1
https://campus.recap.ncl.ac.uk/Panopto/Pages/Embed.aspx?id=c3bef819-e5f4-4a55-876f-0a23436988ed&v=1
More on this diet and diabetes reversal:
And on this very site:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diet/newcastle-study-600-calorie-diet.html
Newcastle University LEADS the way on this VIA EVIDENCE-BASED PROVEN RESEARCH, and I am on a mission to reverse my diabetes and may well have already - as I've shed 22 pounds in 14 days on the Newcastle Diet and may have kickstarted my systems. I did this once before, lost 40 pounds in six weeks and then rebounded and binged my way back to diabetic for another two years...until now. This time I'm armed with thoughts of a life-long exit plan, my new lifestyle and diet - and mental mindset needed to combat the compulsion to overeat and eat junk food, as I have.
There are excellent compelling videos here:
Dated but still relevent:
His results are not consistent, and it's likely because people are ingesting too many carbs, but he paints a compelling story as to why this disease should be fought on a personal front:
An absolutely EXCELLENT VIDEO ON WHAT IS GOING ON WITH BLOOD SUGAR IN THE BLOOD AND CELLS and how to deal with it - and why:
A documentary a friend sent me, which I have yet to watch, but I look forward to watching it - beating Type II with raw foods:
FIGHT this by getting good and close to the truth and science about Diabetes and its effects, and by getting real about what diabetes means. In the first four years, on medication, you can face little to no damage to your body because of the medication, and then it gets worse. It's not a joke, and I believe strongly that the sooner people in society own up to this, as was shown by Katie Hopkins on TV (bless her bigoted soul - I say that sarcastically), the better. I'm on a 'wake up' plan.
Whatever works for you, I'm sure you'll find your way. DO expect your doctors to undersell the idea you can reverse this...because most people will not make the necessary sacrifices and mental/practical changes needed. But know that the science is in: IF you immediately shed weight and cut your diet to 2/3 of what you were eating before (or half if you were binging like a nut), forever...you'll get there. The Newcastle research shows that it's not about diet, only. It's about calories. Keep the calories down and exercise to ensure that blood sugar is mopped up from the blood stream into the cells. Lose fat immediately to clean out the fat in your pancreas and liver that are preventing insulin from working properly, etc.
That's my quick summary of what I've learned on this subject. Good luck and be strong. Find compelling reasons to regain your health - for me, a friend is dying of cancer she CAN'T cure. At least our disease, by and large, is curable except for a few people with a special resistance. This is a lifestyle disease. Kick the bad habits forever, and you won't have to second guess your eating forever, which was and is my main motivation for reversing this and keeping it reversed. You have a chance to stop yourself from going down the slippery slope. Grief and feeling sorry for yourself are par for the course. I find watching videos gives me the motivation to stop that negative cycle and take action.
Now, I'm off to the gym for a workout and swim after.
Best wishes,
Meme
I'd cut down on the carbs.
Ruth B
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like others have said, more information would be useful regarding diet and BS readings.
I always notice that I become tired, irritable, dopy and unable to concentrate whenever my BS goes high, if I can keep my post meal level to 7.5 ish, I feel so much better.
I would also agree that trying to get into a set routine for eating and sleeping will help.
I always notice that I become tired, irritable, dopy and unable to concentrate whenever my BS goes high, if I can keep my post meal level to 7.5 ish, I feel so much better.
I would also agree that trying to get into a set routine for eating and sleeping will help.
