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Hi, I have just been diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes (I don't have any more information than that, other than the fact that routine blood tests for diabetes came back as normal until November 2016, so I suppose I haven't had the problem for very long). I haven't had a chance to discuss things with my GP or practice dietician/nurse yet, but I have been looking for some answers online and now I'm suffering from complete information overload! I just have no idea where to start. :-( As a bit of background, I am 63 years old, morbidly obese, long-term disabled (mobility, following an accident) and have a very sedentary job/lifestyle. I've been a yo-yo dieter for over 50 years. My late father was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes at the age of 60. Although I don't know anything very much about diabetes, I really would prefer to handle this through diet in the first instance, rather than immediately go down the Metformin route which my doctor is suggesting. Am I being unrealistic? Where do I begin?
 
@debrasue - Hello and Welcome to the Forum. Firstly I will tag @daisy1 who will provide you with some basic information that all newbies receive. Have a read and ask any questions you may have. :)
 
You are not being unrealistic as others who have had similar problems will testify to.
Where do you begin?
You may well have to change your way of eating. I don't mean starving yourself. I just mean eat different things. The ones you need to avoid as much as possible are fizzy drinks with lots of sugar in and foods containing sugar, flour, rice or potatoes.

Find alternative meals rather than cut down. You can have meat and veg but when it comes to carbohydrates you should limit them as much as is practical to begin with. You'll get better at it later.

@daisy1 has some advice on this. She'll no doubt put it up later.
 
I really would prefer to handle this through diet in the first instance, rather than immediately go down the Metformin route which my doctor is suggesting. Am I being unrealistic? Where do I begin?
Hi @debrasue,
no you are not necessarily being unrealistic. The Metformin itself won't bring your BG down greatly, rather modifying your diet to reduce your carb intake should dothe biggest effect. My suggestion would be to beg/borrow/buy a meter and experiment with foods to find out hich ones are dealt with best!
Then ask questions on here and we'l do what we can to help/support.
 
hi @debrasue welcome to the forum and welcome to the T2 club. I was diagnosed late November 2015, just a few months ago. I am also obese and live a very sedentary life. I completely understand where you're coming from, it's overwhelming in the first few weeks, but let me assure you, in time it will all begin to fall into place.

The first steps I took was to cut out sugar, this meant no more coffee as I drank 6 to 10 cups a day with a large teaspoon of sugar, chocolate, cakes, biscuits and rice and pasta all gone. And bread too. I began to drink more water and I also stopped smoking. Now, I realise this is a lot all at once, but you will find what works for you. A lot of the people here were telling me about self monitoring my blood glucose, after I had read up on it I decided to try it, and now I use that to gauge if the food I'm eating is. 'Spiking' my BG. I also began to walk more. And I used an app to keep a diary of my meals and my calories, as I've been learning, I have gradually reduced my carb intake and increased healthy fats. I'm really educating myself about food and the role it plays in my life, as an emotional eater there have been some very tough moments but for the most part I would say that I have taken things carefully and have begun to turn things around.

I say all this so you know that within a few short months you can make some significant changes and see some great results, you can taylor your exercise to what you can do. Do what you can do, make the changes you can make.

I wish you all the best and there are plenty of people here with similar stories who will offer you support and encouragement. You'll be ok, just take it all gently, don't panic, stress and T2 don't mix. ;)

And drink plenty of water :happy:
 
Hi @debrasue

Welcome this is a great site and it has helped me enormously. There is so much to get your head around but take your time.
With all that confusion and so much information I will make 2 suggestions that I believe are fundamentals to us all
  1. Get a meter so that you can monitor your blood glucose levels(if it can't be prescribed buy one) Others on here will give you the cheapest options in the UK if you ask
  2. You need to limit some Carbohydrates and eliminate others from your diet. Sugar, Biscuits, Soft Drinks, Pasta, Bread, Rice etc and your meter will help you make these decisions
Please use this forum to ask any questions you have and welcome again
 
@debrasue

Hello and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful, especially on diet and carbs. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi, I have just been diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes (I don't have any more information than that, other than the fact that routine blood tests for diabetes came back as normal until November 2016, so I suppose I haven't had the problem for very long).
Hi @debrasue and welcome to the forum. Well done for being proactive and finding this forum. There is a lot of good advice and support on here. When you see your GP or DSN you should ask for a printout of your blood test results, or at least get the figures so you know where you are starting from.

If as you say your figures were ok until November, it's likely that your blood sugar levels aren't very high and you should be able to bring them down before your 3 month retest. Many of us on here have done that by following a Low Carbohydrate High Fat approach to eating - carbohydrates turn to sugar in our bodies so should be avoided or limited as much as possible.

Have a read round the threads, and ask any questions you want to, and someone will reply.
 
hello, it can begin to control your food, and stop drinking for coffee, tea, and alcohol, it's bad...!!! and don't forget to control your lifestyle, it will help you to control your blood sugar...
 
hello, it can begin to control your food, and stop drinking for coffee, tea, and alcohol, it's bad...!!! and don't forget to control your lifestyle, it will help you to control your blood sugar...
Why is tea and coffee bad? I'm T2 diet controlled with an hba1c of 36 and drink several cups of both tea and coffee with whole milk per day.
 
hello, it can begin to control your food, and stop drinking for coffee, tea, and alcohol, it's bad...!!! and don't forget to control your lifestyle, it will help you to control your blood sugar...
Thanks for this. There seems to be a lot of conflicting advice, though - I thought coffee was supposed to be good, for instance? I don't really drink alcohol and I don't like tea, so that's not going to be a problem. And that's excellent advice about controlling my lifestyle - I guess that's what got me into this mess in the first place!
 
Hi @debrasue

Welcome this is a great site and it has helped me enormously. There is so much to get your head around but take your time.
With all that confusion and so much information I will make 2 suggestions that I believe are fundamentals to us all
  1. Get a meter so that you can monitor your blood glucose levels(if it can't be prescribed buy one) Others on here will give you the cheapest options in the UK if you ask
  2. You need to limit some Carbohydrates and eliminate others from your diet. Sugar, Biscuits, Soft Drinks, Pasta, Bread, Rice etc and your meter will help you make these decisions
Please use this forum to ask any questions you have and welcome again
Thanks for this - good advice! When you say eliminate pasta, bread and rice, does that include wholemeal pasta and bread, and brown rice?
 
From some comments I've seen today, I wouldn't be putting too much faith in what Egar27 says
 
hello, it can begin to control your food, and stop drinking for coffee, tea, and alcohol, it's bad...!!! and don't forget to control your lifestyle, it will help you to control your blood sugar...

Hi @Egar27 ,

Do you have any substantiated evidence for your claims about tea, coffee and alcohol (when drunk in moderation)?
 
Hi, I have just been diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes (I don't have any more information than that, other than the fact that routine blood tests for diabetes came back as normal until November 2016, so I suppose I haven't had the problem for very long). I haven't had a chance to discuss things with my GP or practice dietician/nurse yet, but I have been looking for some answers online and now I'm suffering from complete information overload! I just have no idea where to start. :-( As a bit of background, I am 63 years old, morbidly obese, long-term disabled (mobility, following an accident) and have a very sedentary job/lifestyle. I've been a yo-yo dieter for over 50 years. My late father was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes at the age of 60. Although I don't know anything very much about diabetes, I really would prefer to handle this through diet in the first instance, rather than immediately go down the Metformin route which my doctor is suggesting. Am I being unrealistic? Where do I begin?
Thanks for the hug - whoever that was from! Made me want to cry... :-( I haven't told my family or friends about this diagnosis yet - I feel too ashamed, as I know I've brought it upon myself - so it's good to have this site to "talk" to.
 
Thanks for the hug - whoever that was from! Made me want to cry... :-( I haven't told my family or friends about this diagnosis yet - I feel too ashamed, as I know I've brought it upon myself - so it's good to have this site to "talk" to.

Looking at your original post I imagine that you may find it very difficult to keep the weight off if you are lackiing in mobility so I don't see why you feel ashamed. As long as you have the right approach going forward and you're determined to make a change in some way, then that's all that matters. Focus on the future and forget the past.

Thanks for this - good advice! When you say eliminate pasta, bread and rice, does that include wholemeal pasta and bread, and brown rice?

Certainly eliminate sugar, but as a first step I'd suggest reducing your pasta, bread, rice and potato unless you're committing wholeheartedly to a Low Carb High Fat lifestyle from the outset?

I'd start off by actually recording what you eat and working out how many carbs you eat each each day, then look at reducing. You don't have to drop down to zero carbs from day 1. Wholemeal versions are rumoured not to cause such severe glucose spikes as the ordinary versions but we all react differently.
 
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