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Newbie1210

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Hi there,

I have recently been diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes. My most recent fasting blood glucose reading was 9.7, but my first was 12. My HBAc1 reading was 9. Although I don't have a sweet tooth, my diet has not been sensible, and I am a carb junky, I also never excercise. I have been prescribed glicazide but I would really like to try a healthy diet and exercise for a few months to see if that helps me (which I have already started). The doctor has explained that they dont' advise just diet and exercise alone anymore...........

I would really appreciate opinions on what people think - looking at my levels etc, wouldn't it be sensible to make adjustments first before popping pills, has anyone else done this or been advised to do so in similar circumstances?

Your thoughts gratefully received!

Many thanks,

Newbie1210
 
Hi Newbie210
I was diagnosed in March 2010 (shock was not the word) and like you wanted to try diet and exercise first. my DSN wouldn'd hear of it and wanted to put me straight onto Metformin (500mg a day). I started swimming daily and watched my diet but when I went back nothing seemed to work, my blood gloucose was still high, but better than the previous reading, although BP and Cholesterol was normal. She upped my Metformin to 2 x 500mg daily and when my bloods were still high (although better) changed my dosage to 2 x 850mg daily. Have just gone back and had the biggest shock, my bloods are higher than ever at 10.2, I cried. She has now added to my medication and I now have to take Glicazide as well as metformin, as of today.
I don't know what I'm trying to say really, but if you think it's worth trying diet & excercise alone then talk to your DSN and GP, another 3 months without pills can't do any harm surely. As I understand it if caught early enough you may be able to reverse it.
Good luck
Angie164
 
Hi Newbie1210 and welcome to the forum :) To help you out, here is some general information that we give to new members. See if any of this helps. If you need to ask any more questions, please ask as someone will probably have an answer for you.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates
A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi Newbie
I would certainly give it a go the most natural way I could first before starting on Medication, which you may have to take for the rest of your life. Even if you manage to stave off symptoms and keep your Diabetes in check for a period of time without the medication route ,then that has got to be a positive.
It is amazing what can be achieved with this Disease through diet and exercise alone, I am Type 1 and low carb and exercise a lot , for better control, but mainly for homeostasis and overall health benefits

There are a lot of Type 2' s on here who do an amazing job controlling their Diabetes through diet and exercise alone and have managed to stay med free, and some of them who were heavily medicated have totally turned things around with diet and exercise and are now medication free...even ones who had been on insulin :thumbup:

So take a look around on here, I and a lot of other people follow a low carb approach, I could not manage to stay medication free with this lifestyle choice as my Pancreas does not produce insulin, so I alway will need the injections...but the low carb diet keeps my Blood Glucose steady and constant I have found , and the exercise I do keeps my cells sensitive to insulin,so I dont have a load of insulin swimming around in my system. Exercise also keeps my BMI normal which all helps with control whether type 1 or type 2.

It may turn out you need the medication in the end anyway, but being here asking this question I'm sure you know it is worth an all out try exercise and diet wise, to see if this can be beaten in this way.

I wish you the very best of luck whichever way you choose , the main thing is you have a disease that needs constant thought and attention for the long haul...and what you do today, whether it be good or bad :D with Diabetes will certainly effect you further on down the line ,it may not be tomorrow or the day after ,could be years,but staying as fit and healthy now is important whether you need meds or not.

Best wishes :D
 
Hello again,

Thank you very much for those of you who have replied so far.........your comments have been very positive and helped in confirming what I hoped was the case. It is inspiring to know that it can be done without medication but also that accepting medication is not the end of the world, if required.

This whole thing only kicked off out of the blue, after a routine trip to the docs following a virus I had ended up having blood tests. Not the best timing, usually plan my health kicks after Christmas but now is a good a time as any!

Thanks for lifting my spirits and best wishes for good health to you too.

Would love to hear more of your experiences.......

Regards, Newbie1210
 
Hi,

i was diagnosed T2 in July of this year and the Doc initially prescribed metformin for me but i have decided not to try that[didnt agree with me] and gone down the diet route. Had a problem with wheat[bread] making me feel sick so went gluten free and that has helped. Also really cut down on carbs and have lost half a stone without really trying too hard.
In the new year ime really going to give the diet a good hard go ant try and loose a t least a stone. Ime not overweight but it would be good to loose a bit of weight to see what it does for my blood sugars. I havnt let diabetes control my life, ime going to do my damndest to control it.
Its a matter of eating better and taking a bit more care of yourself and it dosnt mean you have to give up everything. My last non fasting test was 6.5, down from 7.5 and i feel pleased with that. However there are many more people on the forum who have done and are doing much better than i so do browse the posts, ime sure you will find a wealth of helpful information.

Good luck.


Andy
 
Hi Newbie,

In your shoes I would certainly give diet and exercise a try before taking meds, should you find this isn't possible then ''popping pills'' as you say is not admitting defeat and no way reflects on your ability to control your diabetes.

Good luck! :)
 
Hi Angie164!

Angie164 said:
Hi Newbie210
I was diagnosed in March 2010 (shock was not the word) and like you wanted to try diet and exercise first. my DSN wouldn'd hear of it and wanted to put me straight onto Metformin (500mg a day). I started swimming daily and watched my diet but when I went back nothing seemed to work, my blood gloucose was still high, but better than the previous reading, although BP and Cholesterol was normal. She upped my Metformin to 2 x 500mg daily and when my bloods were still high (although better) changed my dosage to 2 x 850mg daily. Have just gone back and had the biggest shock, my bloods are higher than ever at 10.2, I cried. She has now added to my medication and I now have to take Glicazide as well as metformin, as of today.
I don't know what I'm trying to say really, but if you think it's worth trying diet & excercise alone then talk to your DSN and GP, another 3 months without pills can't do any harm surely. As I understand it if caught early enough you may be able to reverse it.
Good luck
Angie164

I noticed your post among the others and just wanted to give you a word of advice and support. Have you cut your carbs back? If so, with the exercise you are doing the right things to bring your BG down. See how the gliclazide goes for a couple of weeks, but don't leave it too long. If the drugs are not working and you are doing all the right things, it might be that you have a different type of diabetes. I have something called LADA. It presents like Type 2 in the early stages, but is, in fact, a form of Type 1. It cannot be controlled by diet and exercise or medication for very long - it requires insulin. There are various tests they can do to try to diagnose this. The fact you have normal BP and cholestorol is interesting, because often Type 2s have high cholestorol and BP. I'm not sure if you're testing regularly? Get yourself a meter and test before food and two hours after. Record the results. This will give you evidence for a sensible conversation with your DSN and a referral to a consultant if necessary.

Good luck and keep your chin up!

Smidge
 
Welcome Newbie
I was diagnosed nearly 2 years ago. I already exercised regularly so reviewed my diet. Cut out all the starchy carbs and have never looked back. Have thus far avoided drugs and have fasting levels 5 max and hba1c in low 5's. I'm happy with that.
Doc let's me go my way. Just collects his payment for testing me, weighing me etc.
So yes it is possible to avoid drugs but not for all. And it does require commitment. For me I have never felt better and by replacing high carb stuff with self made treats I avoid cravings and eat really well.
Cd
 
Metformin is often prescribed for its protective qualities rateher than its bg reducing qualities.
I know the side effects can be a real nuisance but Sr version is mch better than the sandard.

It might actually not do any harm to take the metformin while trying to reduce your levels with diet and exercise. It doesnt have an enormous impact on your levels anyhow. You could always stop
if your levels came down .
Just a thought.
 
Treating a nutritional disease with drugs doesn't make a lot of sense. So all these folks are right, diet and exercise are what to focus on. Low glycemic load diet is what we all need to learn, and if you want really quick results, just cut out grains and see how fast you BG and weight get better the first week and continue to improve every week. It's grains that are killing us, Diabesity follows grain consumption, period.
 
Hi Robert. Whilst what you say may be true for many 'T2s', there are others like myself who have a knackered pancreas rather than insulin resistance following excessive carb intake. There are many reasons for this but it can't be reversed and a low-carb diet will help but only delay progression. I agree it's 'grains that are helping to kill us' in many ways but there are many causes of diabetes including various genetic susceptibilities. As usual we are all different.
 
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