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sigrumpy1

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Hi All i would like some advice please. I have been type 2 for around 14 years and have always controlled my blood sugars okay. I am on 1000 mg of slow release metformin that i take in the evening. Over the last six months i have been a real fool and have been acting like I don't have diabetes eat sweets ect. I had my annual check up and review the other day and my fast bloods were 12.6 and my Hcab1 was 78 no surprise really. I have now changed my ways to low carb low sugar meals and no sweets. my question is a week on and nothing seems to have changed much when i take a reading, how long does it take for sugar levels to go down.
It really is a shame and very shortsighted of the NHS not to provided testing strips as a wake up call would have came far sooner.
Many Thanks Simon
 
Hi Simon, welcome to the forum. It will probably take a while for your body to clear the backlog of stored glucose in your system so have patience! It will go with the right diet. I find that after over a year of Low Carbing, if I have a relatively higher carb day, it will show up in my BG readings for a day or two before returning to my normal.
Good luck!
 
4 million diabetics in the UK using 50 strips a month over a year. Say the strips cost the NHS 10 quid a pot (I think they may pay a bit more). That's 120 quid per patient per year. That's nearly half a billion quid a year just on strips....anyway I realise that doesn't answer your question but I'm sure someone will be along soon to help but I would imagine you should quickly see an improvement if you are eating low carb. Back to the strips there is someone on here who has all the info as to where we can buy them cheaply. I can't remember who it is or i would tag them.for you. Good luck with it all
 
Hi All i would like some advice please. I have been type 2 for around 14 years and have always controlled my blood sugars okay. I am on 1000 mg of slow release metformin that i take in the evening. Over the last six months i have been a real fool and have been acting like I don't have diabetes eat sweets ect. I had my annual check up and review the other day and my fast bloods were 12.6 and my Hcab1 was 78 no surprise really. I have now changed my ways to low carb low sugar meals and no sweets. my question is a week on and nothing seems to have changed much when i take a reading, how long does it take for sugar levels to go down.
It really is a shame and very shortsighted of the NHS not to provided testing strips as a wake up call would have came far sooner.
Many Thanks Simon

You need to be a little more patient. It won't happen overnight.

It may help us to help you if you tell us when you test, and what you are eating in a typical day.
 
4 million diabetics in the UK using 50 strips a month over a year. Say the strips cost the NHS 10 quid a pot (I think they may pay a bit more). That's 120 quid per patient per year. That's nearly half a billion quid a year just on strips....anyway I realise that doesn't answer your question but I'm sure someone will be along soon to help but I would imagine you should quickly see an improvement if you are eating low carb. Back to the strips there is someone on here who has all the info as to where we can buy them cheaply. I can't remember who it is or i would tag them.for you. Good luck with it all

Hi Lally, thank you for your reply. I understand the cost to the NHS but sometimes it better to spend a little upfront to reduce costs in the future. My Nurse wanted to to up my meds which would mean testing 3 times a day, they would then have to pay for the strips and the additional medication. Clearly i understand we all have to take responsibility for our health. however we are all human and make bad choices mistakes along the way with our diet, hence the growing number of
type 2's. I am convinced if i did test once a day i would not be where i am now. :-(

I am sure this has been debated many times on this site.

I would love to know about cheap strips if anyone has any info.
Kind Regards
Simon
 
Here you go Simon

https://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/
(or telephone: 01923 711511)
for the SD Codefree meter, which costs £12.98 or:
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
(or telephone: 0116 2865000)
who distribute the TEE 2 meter, which is free.


The cost of testing comes down to the ongoing charges for test strips and lancets.
For the SD Codefree, the strips are £7.69 for a pack of 50 and there are discount codes available for bulk purchases:
5 packs x 50 use code: 264086 .. cost is £29.49
10 packs x 50 use code: 975833 .. cost is £58.98
For the TEE 2, the strips are £7.75 for a pack of 50 .. but there are no discount codes currently available
Make sure that you tick the appropriate box on the on-line order form and you won't pay VAT on your meter or strips. For the bulk discount on strips for the SD Codefree, you need to complete the order (check the boxes to confirm that you are diabetic and the number of packs that you want). Then click on view basket and on the left hand side of the window you will see two boxes .. Coupon Code and Apply Coupon. Enter the relevant discount code in the first box and then click the Apply Coupon box. This applies the discount and adjusts the price .. and finally, you then proceed to checkout.


I should add many thanks to @AM1874 Who compiled this useful guide.
 
Hi Lally, thank you for your reply. I understand the cost to the NHS but sometimes it better to spend a little upfront to reduce costs in the future. My Nurse wanted to to up my meds which would mean testing 3 times a day, they would then have to pay for the strips and the additional medication. Clearly i understand we all have to take responsibility for our health. however we are all human and make bad choices mistakes along the way with our diet, hence the growing number of
type 2's. I am convinced if i did test once a day i would not be where i am now. :-(

I am sure this has been debated many times on this site.

I would love to know about cheap strips if anyone has any info.
Kind Regards
Simon
Completely agree and I do believe that patients who will use the results to improve their health should be enabled to do so. But I guess in today's cash strapped NHS it's just not possible so the next best thing is cheap strips! Make sure you use the codes above it really brings the cost down.
 
Here you go Simon

https://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/
(or telephone: 01923 711511)
for the SD Codefree meter, which costs £12.98 or:
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
(or telephone: 0116 2865000)
who distribute the TEE 2 meter, which is free.


The cost of testing comes down to the ongoing charges for test strips and lancets.
For the SD Codefree, the strips are £7.69 for a pack of 50 and there are discount codes available for bulk purchases:
5 packs x 50 use code: 264086 .. cost is £29.49
10 packs x 50 use code: 975833 .. cost is £58.98
For the TEE 2, the strips are £7.75 for a pack of 50 .. but there are no discount codes currently available
Make sure that you tick the appropriate box on the on-line order form and you won't pay VAT on your meter or strips. For the bulk discount on strips for the SD Codefree, you need to complete the order (check the boxes to confirm that you are diabetic and the number of packs that you want). Then click on view basket and on the left hand side of the window you will see two boxes .. Coupon Code and Apply Coupon. Enter the relevant discount code in the first box and then click the Apply Coupon box. This applies the discount and adjusts the price .. and finally, you then proceed to checkout.


I should add many thanks to @AM1874 Who compiled this useful guide.

Hi Thank you so much, I have just ordered a TEE 2 which was free, 50 Strips @7.75 and &100 lancets @ 3.99 what a huge different from the mainstream strips. its made my day :-)
 
Hi @sigrumpy1 and welcome
It took me 3 months from diagnosis to get myHbA1c down from 95 to 50 and a further 3 months down to mid 30's. During that time I was learning what worked or didn't work for me. I was given a meter and test strips on prescription. I tested before and after meals trying to keep the rise under 2 at the 2 hour mark. I would recommend either of @bulkbiker suggestions - I mostly use the sdcodefree now as I no longer get the strips prescribed. I still test as I don't want to end up with high readings for any length of time.I'm sure you could get control a lot quicker than me. I will tag @daisy1 who will post a helpful guide.
 
Hi Thank you so much, I have just ordered a TEE 2 which was free, 50 Strips @7.75 and &100 lancets @ 3.99 what a huge different from the mainstream strips. its made my day :)

I bet you still have about 80 lancets in a years time like I do.. I ended up changing them about once a month!
 
The effects should have kicked in - but it does depend on just how low carb you have gone. Me - having no fear of low carbing I went very low carb for a couple of days, then ate small amounts of salad and gradually introduced more low carb foods - at the moment I am probably eating up to 60gm of carbs a day as that is what I used to eat to feel well and control my weight in the past, when my doctor had not interfered with my consumption of carbs yet again. I am almost a year from diagnosis, and do not need to check my BG levels as I know what to eat. Last time I checked was a few days ago before dinner and I was at 4.8mmol/l so I think I have got it right.
Would you like to tell us what you are eating and we can come back with suggestions or approvals - just to check that you are on the right path?
 
To get the suger out of your system try fasting, then can be upto 72hr without eating, just drinking water.

Lots of people find that a 23hr fast works well, where they just eat one meal a day.
 
To get the suger out of your system try fasting, then can be upto 72hr without eating, just drinking water.

Lots of people find that a 23hr fast works well, where they just eat one meal a day.

You need to enquire which meds he is on before advising that.
 
You need to enquire which meds he is on before advising that.

I expect people to read the information that comes with their meds and use their own brains. Anyway the first post in the thread as the importanant information about waht diabeic meds are being used.
 
@sigrumpy1

Hello Simon and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope it will be useful to you. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will help you.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

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