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Hi all,

I've had T2 for 9 years now and after a good few years managing with diet alone, it has progressed to the point where I am on:

60 units Humulin I
320mg Gliclazide per day
2000mg Metformin daily
along with statins and other pills relating to Atrial Fibrilation.

Problem I am having that my levels are okish first thing in the morning and then after breakfast, not high in carbs or sugar, it is spiking to over 20mmol. Have I developed a resistance of has my pancreas given up altogether?

Waiting to hear back about an appt with my diabetes nurses but that may be a while.

Any thoughts as to what may be causing it? Been happening for last month or so.

Thanks in advance and happy new year.
 
Just out of curiosity what is your typical breakfast (as that may give some clues)?
And roughly what is ok-ish in the morning for you :)
 
What kind of things are you eating?
With the amount of medication you are on I'd expect hypos not hypers...
 
Hi, thanks for replies.

I'm usually between 6-9 mmols in the morning.

Breakfast would be brown toast with eggs or weetabix or bran flakes with milk, small portions though.

Mid morning I'll just have a tea of coffee, no sugar. I could understand it if my BG was going up a but but it seems to be excessively high for what I'm eating.
 
Hi, thanks for replies.

I'm usually between 6-9 mmols in the morning.

Breakfast would be brown toast with eggs or weetabix or bran flakes with milk, small portions though.

Mid morning I'll just have a tea of coffee, no sugar. I could understand it if my BG was going up a but but it seems to be excessively high for what I'm eating.
Well toast, weetabix and branflakes are all fairly high carb foods none of which would pass my lips..why not try just the eggs maybe with some bacon and see if that gives better results?
A whole lot of have found that cutting carbs out almost completely has had a miraculous effect on our blood sugar levels and allowed us to ditch all meds for T2.. you'll need to be a bit careful starting out on that combination of meds but it may do wonders for you. Just remember to check bloods often for hypos.
 
Sorry just seen you are fairly new to all this so I'll tag in @daisy1 for the intro to low carbing..
But in the meantime Hi and welcome!
 
When are you taking your Humulin?
Looking at the profile, you can see the activity does not last 24 hours and reduces after about 10 hours so you may be experiencing reduced insulin activity.
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Hi, thanks for replies.

I'm usually between 6-9 mmols in the morning.

Breakfast would be brown toast with eggs or weetabix or bran flakes with milk, small portions though.

Mid morning I'll just have a tea of coffee, no sugar. I could understand it if my BG was going up a but but it seems to be excessively high for what I'm eating.
Uh, no... Not excessive actually... With bread, weetabix or flakes, I'd expect the same thing to happen to my bloodsugars. That's not low carb, at all. So the good news: Your diet can be tweaked! Yay!What's the rest of the day look like?

Your mornings would be better off with just the eggs with bacon, cheese, high meat content sausages, that sort of thing. Or an omelet with cinnamon, erythritol, cream, and a side of coconutflakes and a couple of berries. (10 or so). Or hey, full fat greek yoghurt with a few nuts and a few berries tossed in? No toast or any wheatproducts of any kind. Or just fast in the a.m. and have tea?
 
Hi all,

I've had T2 for 9 years now and after a good few years managing with diet alone, it has progressed to the point where I am on:

60 units Humulin I
320mg Gliclazide per day
2000mg Metformin daily
along with statins and other pills relating to Atrial Fibrilation.

Problem I am having that my levels are okish first thing in the morning and then after breakfast, not high in carbs or sugar, it is spiking to over 20mmol. Have I developed a resistance of has my pancreas given up altogether?

Waiting to hear back about an appt with my diabetes nurses but that may be a while.

Any thoughts as to what may be causing it? Been happening for last month or so.

Thanks in advance and happy new year.
Oh heck, I forgot: if you cut carbs drastically with a lot of meds, you could hypo. So do test a LOT...
 
When are you taking your Humulin?
Looking at the profile, you can see the activity does not last 24 hours and reduces after about 10 hours so you may be experiencing reduced insulin activity.
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Hi, last thing before bed. So that makes sense, might need to look at tweaking it or adding a dose in the morning. Thanks for this.
 
Uh, no... Not excessive actually... With bread, weetabix or flakes, I'd expect the same thing to happen to my bloodsugars. That's not low carb, at all. So the good news: Your diet can be tweaked! Yay!What's the rest of the day look like?

Your mornings would be better off with just the eggs with bacon, cheese, high meat content sausages, that sort of thing. Or an omelet with cinnamon, erythritol, cream, and a side of coconutflakes and a couple of berries. (10 or so). Or hey, full fat greek yoghurt with a few nuts and a few berries tossed in? No toast or any wheatproducts of any kind. Or just fast in the a.m. and have tea?

It's been so long since I educated myself on all of this that it appears I've forgotten most of it. Thank you!
 
@Biker
Hello Biker and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it interesting and helpful.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Have I developed a resistance of has my pancreas given up altogether?

There's only one way to find out and that 's to have a c-peptide test to see how your pancreas is doing and an insulin resistance test. Major problem being that most GPs wouldn't dream of testing, they just seem to like prescribing medication.

I have paid for my own c-pep and insulin resistance tests and although not essential, they have helped me understand exactly what the state of play is, no ifs or buts, I know exactly what's going on. Although one slight problem is that the c-pep test doesn't look at beta cell health, so your pancreas might be producing insulin within OK limits, the state of the beta cells is unknown.
 
Hi all,

I've had T2 for 9 years now and after a good few years managing with diet alone, it has progressed to the point where I am on:

60 units Humulin I
320mg Gliclazide per day
2000mg Metformin daily
along with statins and other pills relating to Atrial Fibrilation.

Problem I am having that my levels are okish first thing in the morning and then after breakfast, not high in carbs or sugar, it is spiking to over 20mmol. Have I developed a resistance of has my pancreas given up altogether?

Waiting to hear back about an appt with my diabetes nurses but that may be a while.

Any thoughts as to what may be causing it? Been happening for last month or so.

Thanks in advance and happy new year.
Strange that as you have been doing ok on diet alone for 9 years that suddenly your BG levels are rising. Because of the medications for the diabetes and medication for your heart problem telling you to lower carbs could be wrong at the present time Maybe something else is going on that is raising your BG levels really your doctor should investigate it further
 
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