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dano17439

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Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Diet only
Thought i would say hello. Was diagnosed with Type 2 a few years ago when i went to the docs with frothy pee!

Just been upped to 2 metformin a day. Just an average guy really, not overly fat (6 foot 4, 15ish stone) balanced diet, never smoke, only drink at the weekends, gym at least twice a week, 40 years old.

My biggest struggle is i cant control my daily blood sugar. Take yesterday for example, greek yoghurt, blueberries and raspberries for breakfast, soup and 2 chicken legs for lunch, took my reading at before dinner and it was 8.1mmol. Had spag bol for dinner (homemade sauce and wholewheat pasta) when out after had 3 pints of ale and 2 jd and diet coke, took my reading this morning and it was over 23mmol.

Its getting me down tbh, doesn't seem to matter what i eat, the readings make no sense!!!!

Again this morning ive had yoghurt and berries and planning tuna salad for later so hopefully the mmols will drop
 
Had spag bol for dinner (homemade sauce and wholewheat pasta) when out after had 3 pints of ale and 2 jd and diet coke, took my reading this morning and it was over 23mmol.

Admit it, that was one giant carbfest. I am not really surprised you get high readings.
 
Hi @dano17439 and welcome to the forum.

I will tag @daisy1 to provide some basic information for you that explains about food choices.

Read around the forum and come back with any questions that you have.
 
Hi. Yes, that was bit carb heavy in the evening. Beer can have a lot of carbs but not always; it's the carbs that matter not the calories from the alcohol. What's a JD?. If it's a spirit then it should be low-carb anyway. See how you go with checked low-carbing. As you are still quite young and as you say not overly heavy, Late onset T1 is always a lurking possibility so if with low-carbing the bs continues to go into the 20s, see the GP for LADA checks.
 
I'm really too new to this to give advice but I've found a strict low carb diet comprised of salad and low carb veg (and I mean under 30g per day) + meat and fish has helped me to get my readings way down (over a period of 8 very strict weeks) and that has included been abstinent of all alcohol I'm afraid & definitely no beer. JD (Jack Daniels) & diet coke are not completely off the menu though...
 
Hi dano17439. Welcome to the Forum. I used to eat a lot of fruit, but was told by the Diabetic Nurse to be careful of "hidden" sugars especially with certain fruit. And is there not sugars in beer/lager?
 
@dano17439

Hi Dano and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope the information on diet in here will help you to control your levels better. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi and welcome to the forum. By the looks of it you're not doing too bad apart from the evening meal. With a few dietary changes you should see some improvement.
 
Had spag bol for dinner (homemade sauce and wholewheat pasta)
Hey Dano, welcome :) When I first started testing my BG, I had this exact same meal. BG after was 22mmol/l. I was careful with my portion size and no beers with it. Pasta is a big no go area for me - looks like it might be for you too. Its a great big pain in the bleeps, but you may need to find an alternative. Nowadays I have the spag bol sauce over veggies or brown rice (rice for me seems to have much less impact on my BG - but you'd need to test yourself to find out how you are with it).
Anyway there are loads of ideas for low carb cooking around on this forum. It does take a bit more effort but so worth it in terms of BG control. Good luck!
 
Thanks folks for the kind words. Although i dont think i eat to badly look like im really going to have to nail this down. Going to be a struggle as i really love my food

Today i had mushroom omelette for breakfast, couple of chicken legs for lunch, tuna steak stir fry for dinner. No alcohol for 2 days and a gym session today. Just done my bloods....12.3 :-(
 
When did you test after the meal, one hour, two, three?
Did you test before meal?
 
Hi dano17439. Maybe you should make an appointment and see either the Diabetic Nurse or GP and discuss your concerns of your blood sugars.
 
Hi dano17439. Maybe you should make an appointment and see either the Diabetic Nurse or GP and discuss your concerns of your blood sugars.

Saw my doc a couple of weeks ago. My hba1c was 52 so he increased me to 2 metformins a day. My doc or the nurse dont seem to concerned that i am a bad case. I only just bought a monitor the other week. My lowest reading was 7.7 last week, but im often over 10
 
Saw my doc a couple of weeks ago. My hba1c was 52 so he increased me to 2 metformins a day. My doc or the nurse dont seem to concerned that i am a bad case. I only just bought a monitor the other week. My lowest reading was 7.7 last week, but im often over 10

I would suggest you reduce your carbs even more especially in the evenings. You don't seem to have much control.
Controlling your levels to single figures, will get your Hba1c levels down and you never know, you could have a pint or two at the weekend when in control as a treat!
It's up to you!
 
Yes i am giving up bread, beer and pasta an am cutting down on potatoes an cereals. Fingers crossed!

Reduce your carbs slowly, eat relatively low carb until you get to where you are comfortable with your levels. This will take a few weeks. There is no quick fix!
Reduce your plate size and increase your walking as you already exercise quite a bit!
Eat little and often.
Strenuous exercise can raise your blood glucose levels, that is your body helping you with extra glucose, don't worry about it, it is natural!
 
Hi dano17439. That's not a bad HBA1C. When you check your your blood sugar do you wash your hands before doing t
 
Sorry dano17439, sent reply too soon. How old is your blood sugar meter? Have you done a control solution test to check it is within range? There are times when I have high readings, but then I know why - only on Friday night I had a slice of cake at 9pm and when I checked my blood sugar at 1am it was 18.8. In the morning before Breakfast it was 6.7.
 
Reduce your carbs slowly, eat relatively low carb until you get to where you are comfortable with your levels. This will take a few weeks. There is no quick fix!
I would absolutely agree with this advice Nosher gave Dano. This is what I did and I succeeded in getting my BG down to decent levels (between 5 and 7 mmol/l). I'm now in a position where I can have a treat - wine, vodka, gin, dark chocolate, ice cream etc in reasonable portions with no drastic effects on my BG - they consistently stay under 8. But I did have to go through 6 weeks of real low carbing - no cheating - to achieve it. I also continue to stick rigidly to it most of the time, so that when I doooo have a treat it feels special :-))
Going to be a struggle as i really love my food
Concentrate and what you CAN eat rather than what you can't. Hand on heart I have been eating some delicious meals since I chose to go low carb. Going a little higher fat helps to keep you full up. I found this difficult at first as I was a low fat eater before - but you don't have to fry everything - just add a little cream, butter, cheese and full fat yoghurt into your diet.
 
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