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High bg levels

Fox1001

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Hi, I am a type 2 diabetic, started on Metformin, usual side affects, was put on Glycazide just half a day, and a slight diet change, my doc eventually took me off meds and said it was controlled by diet hmmm ? Saw my nurse which is rare, and my bs was 13.9, so put back on meds double dose, I have had a severe bacterial infection of the kidneys, which has also affected my liver, never really checked my levels, but the nurse told me to, as of 10 minutes ago it was 21.9, it sometimes feels like you are fighting this illness on your own, feel ok but very tired and lethargic, which is hard to explain to family and friends, any advice would be welcome thanks.
 
Welcome @Fox1001 :)

Some Type 2s will be along later, I'm sure, but in the meantime let me tag @daisy1 for some basic info.

If your blood sugar is 21.9 that will be making you feel rough and lethargic. Do you test your blood sugar at home?
 
Hi, my doc told me not to test my bs, he reckons you can get fixated with it and that my annual bs levels were fine, my nurse told me because I drive to check my levels before, and if they were below 5.4 not to drive, mine just seem to be getting higher, I had a stomach bug over the weekend so didn't eat, because of my kidney infection which the hospital treated unaware of my diabetes, I almost died, so trying to get a right medium seems difficult, but I do check labels on foods, and if it's green for sugars I should be fine consuming it.
 
Hi and welcome,

It seems you aren't getting much help from your doctor or nurse, so you have done the right thing to come here and ask questions.

Firstly, your doctor is quite wrong in telling you not to test. When on Gliclazide you must test at least before you drive or you could end up having a hypo and causing an accident. So your nurse was right about that. Apart from testing then, it is a good learning tool to test before you eat and 2 hours after your first bite. The difference in levels will tell you exactly what that meal has done to your body and give you chance to tweak/amend that meal accordingly. Doing this, and keeping a food diary, will help you design a diet that is suitable for you.

Secondly, it isn't enough to look at the green/red/amber traffic light system to see how much sugar there is. Sugar is only one of the many carbohydrates, and all carbs convert to glucose once inside the system, not just sugar. Read the full nutrition label and look for total carbohydrates per 100g. Unless it is something you only have a tiny weeny portion of, such as a condiment, avoid anything over 10g carbs per 100g and try for much less than that if you can.

Potatoes, rice, pasta, cereals and bread are the worst culprits in raising BS levels, and you will see this if you test them out. Have a look at this thread, which may help you

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/a-new-low-carb-guide-for-beginners.68695/

and when @daisy1 posts, read what she says. It is a very useful guide.

Bear in mind also that when you are ill, have an infection, or such like, your levels will be higher anyway. You aren't fighting this condition on your own - there are many hundreds of us on this forum ready to help and support you. Once you get your levels down the tiredness and lethargy will disappear.

Do ask questions, and good luck. :)
 
Sorry you've been so ill - I hope you're feeling a little better.

It's not just the sugar you need to look at on labels. It's the carbohydrate too. Carbs turn to glucose in the body. As an example, a plate of plain pasta is sugar-free but contains quite a lot of carbs so will still raise your blood sugar.

My advice would be to check your blood sugar at home. If you're on certain medication, you do need to check it before driving too.
 
Hi, I am a type 2 diabetic, started on Metformin, usual side affects, was put on Glycazide just half a day, and a slight diet change, my doc eventually took me off meds and said it was controlled by diet hmmm ? Saw my nurse which is rare, and my bs was 13.9, so put back on meds double dose, I have had a severe bacterial infection of the kidneys, which has also affected my liver, never really checked my levels, but the nurse told me to, as of 10 minutes ago it was 21.9, it sometimes feels like you are fighting this illness on your own, feel ok but very tired and lethargic, which is hard to explain to family and friends, any advice would be welcome thanks.

I think you haven´t got the help to learn about your diet as you need ....

and why is it stupid to be fixated on getting a normal blood glucose.... i think he is wrong in that, far too many diabetics do very bad and die far too early and have complications that could be avoided... if only they had learned and were more fixated on getting a normal or about normal or the best possible numbers of blood glucose...

I have decided to make that my hobby from now on and the rest of my life... and that I will use the needed money on equipments that lets me know what my blood glucose is and keep it lowest every day.. except from Christmas eve
 
@Fox1001

Hello and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 210,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi and Welcome

Also keep in mind that if your suffering with an infection or wound that your body will release extra glucose to try and help your body heal but for a diabetic not on insulin this can cause you to feel rough but you should not stop eating and you may want to consider taking vitamin supplements
 
Thank you all for your help and info, don't feel so lonely with this now, my bs this morning pre breakfast was 14.9, after it was 16.9, I have spoken to my nurse who has told me that I have to take half a Glycazide in the morning, and one the evening, plus taking a new one when the prescription is done, she said I must check my levels even more in case of hypo's, I must admit I didn't take the illness seriously enough at the start, but now realise the impact it has on any illness I get, it feels good to know you are all out there, and are supportive, thank you.
 
Thanks Freema, I think your right about the advice I have been given, or rather the lack of, seeing my doc is hard enough, but my nurse well next appt January 17, my sugars are high, I have had a chat on the phone, and my nurse has increased my dosage plus put me on another tablet, I am trying really hard to get a happy medium in life, too many people don't understand the condition, and when I feel tired or rough it's just a case of pull yourself together, thanks for your comments it's quite enabling to know your not alone, enjoy Christmas Eve lol.
 
Hi, my doc told me not to test my bs, he reckons you can get fixated with it and that my annual bs levels were fine, my nurse told me because I drive to check my levels before, and if they were below 5.4 not to drive, mine just seem to be getting higher, I had a stomach bug over the weekend so didn't eat, because of my kidney infection which the hospital treated unaware of my diabetes, I almost died, so trying to get a right medium seems difficult, but I do check labels on foods, and if it's green for sugars I should be fine consuming it.
With regards to your GP telling you not to test, that appears to be quite a common thing for type 2's to be told. I can recall posts where those with type 2 are report they were told they don't need to test, and some even have had prescriptions for testing strips stopped by their GP's for no apparent reason other than cost cutting. Same thing happened with the switch to cheaper but very poor quality needles for insulin pens on prescription.
 
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