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How can I safely induce lows?

james122

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Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Insulin
Dislikes
HIGH blood sugars!
I'm fed up worring about complications so I was wondering has anyone here induced lows to minimise the risk more.
I don't mind being low at all.
I'm also going to go protien/fat only, has anyone else done that and how long can you live healthily doing that?

Thanks for your input looks like my life might be on the turn for the better if I do this as there will be no highs!
 
To simplify things, the main difference betweem running high blood sugars and lows, is highs take many weeks, months or years to damage your body, lows can kill you in hours.
Can i recommend you consider finding a balance in the middle rather than one of the extremes!?
 
On dafne course we were told that often low sugar levels damage our bodies too. Heart and brain. Sorry but I can remember why exactly
 
For example?

Seizures, death of some brain cells (I think @tim2000s mentioned this) if too low too much, and a risk of rebound highs.

Far better to aim to stay in range - that is, not too high but not too low either.

Also, frequent lows can make you feel dopey and slow, and stop you doing much. Even something like reading or following a TV programme is a struggle when you're low.

I've also found that low sugars can affect your emotions and make you feel unusually weepy or panicky. Not nice.
 
Dropping under 2 is thought to kill brain cells and prolonged periods under 2 might cause a risk of long term cognitive impairment.

Do you get hypo symptoms? loss of hypo awareness will adversely impact your lifestyle by making you lose your driving licence (if you have two incidents of severe hypoglycaemia requiring assistance from third party, you will lose your driving licence).

You seem to be suggesting balancing out the highs with the lows. That is not a healthy approach. Lots of hypos might lower your hba1c, but that doesn't mean anything if that's because you are springing up and down. That creates high glycaemic variability which will increase your risk of complications.

Aim for the middle ground. Yes, it can't always be achieved and yes, everyone knows it's incredibly hard work. But if you are considering aiming for hypoglycaemia, then why not just aim for 5-8 rather than under 4.

What steps have you taken to achieve the middle ground? I have seen a lot of people over various threads recommending you try basal testing. But I've never seen you respond to say whether or not you have done any basal testing? Is that something you have tried? Maybe if you would like to share the results people would be able to offer advice on improvements? Or you could discuss the issues you are having with control with your DSN and she might be able to give you advice on basal rates and ratios. Have you been on a DAFNE course or similar carb counting course - it's really helpful to meet and talk to other type 1s, it makes you realise there is no one who finds this easy, that it's ok not to have perfect numbers. The trick is to keep learning from them, adjusting what you are doing and improving. There are lots of tools you could use to hit the middle ground, some of them might not work for you at all. But don't let that stop you trying, chalk it up to experience, take a deep breath & try again tomorrow. Small steps to improving might come slowly, but they could make a big difference to your health. Just try one thing at a time.
 
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On dafne course we were told that often low sugar levels damage our bodies too. Heart and brain. Sorry but I can remember why exactly

Logically? Sugar powers the body. Insulin is the key to do so.. Too low a BS underpowers the muscles & brain.. The heart being a "muscle".. That amount of stress during a hypo? & sooner or later somethings going to give out.. The brain usually holds the "white flag" first...
 
You must know how difficult it is!
Absolutely I know how difficult it is, and I can assure you that if there was a short cut, I would be doing it, but I have realised I can live with my diabetes, or I can fight it, and it took a long fight against it to realise, I was losing. @catapillar is spot on above.
Personally I would firstly recommend you reach out to your diabetic support team (DSN, specialist etc) and secondly do the basal testing. Until you can confirm that is right, you are fighting an uphill battle. People here will help you with interpreting the basal testing, but unfortunately only you can actually do it. Hope all goes well
 
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/749868

Have a look at this article on the J-curve. An HbA1C of lower than 6% increases the risk of cardiovascular events, i.e. heart attacks. Above 7% increases the risk of various other complications but lower is NOT better.

Btw, I only found this out the other day after years of trying to be a 'normal' 5%. Turns out that was as bad as being 8%!! This bloody disease gets you all ways :( x
 
I'm fed up worring about complications so I was wondering has anyone here induced lows to minimise the risk more.
I don't mind being low at all.
I'm also going to go protien/fat only, has anyone else done that and how long can you live healthily doing that?

Thanks for your input looks like my life might be on the turn for the better if I do this as there will be no highs!

What level do you call low?


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