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How can I stop dawn phenomenon?

Discussion in 'Type 2 Diabetes' started by Starfish18, Mar 27, 2019.

  1. Starfish18

    Starfish18 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Or is it something I just have to live with and it will sort itself out in time?
    I was diagnosed in Jan 19 with an Hba1c of 95 on diet only. For the first couple of weeks I didn't get DP and was doing great but now I get it most days and it makes my levels higher, sometimes all day! I went to bed with a reading of 7.0. Fbg was 7.1 for breakfast I had a coffee with creme and 100g of creme fraiche (trying to eat something to stop dp in its tracks) but before lunch I had a reading of 7.6 had scrambled egg with 2 high meat % sausages and a bit of ketchup with no added salt or sugar 2 hours after lunch I'm 6.8 so it buggers my levels up, it's not the first time I've had a reading lower after a meal than before!
    I've tried just having a coffee with cream or bulletproof coffee for breakfast but I still get dp I've tried eating a good breakfast which seems to delay the dp but I get it later in the day! :banghead: is there anything else I could try to stop it or have I just got to bide my time?
    Tia.
     
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  2. Caeseji

    Caeseji Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    It's such a bother isn't it? I've found that fasting has helped to shunt mine down quite a bit, especially doing OMAD but only do that sort of thing if you're comfortable with it. It takes a little while, some are more prone than others and sometimes it does take a LOT of time to flush the excess glucose from the system. May be worth having a proper breakfast and skipping lunch? Alternatively you may want to look at your protein intake. I really hope you find a solution soon :(
     
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  3. Starfish18

    Starfish18 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I get quite hungry, that's why I try and have something. I do like the idea of fasting eventually. i once had a good breakfast and just had a bulletproof proof coffee for lunch as I wasn't that hungry and by dinner time I was starving! :(
    I don't think I eat enough protein so don't think it's that! Though it has crossed my mind
    Thank you for your reply :)
     
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  4. Chook

    Chook Type 2 · Expert

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    If you find a way then please let me know!! After several years of low carbing mine still keeps on rising until midday or until I eat enough fat and protein. It was even still kicking in on the fourth day of my recent fast (although it wasn't such a steep rise).

    The combinations of fat and protein that stops it in its tracks (for me) are a breakfast of 2 eggs and 4 rashers of streaky bacon OR kippers with butter and buttery creamy scrambled eggs. My main problem is that I am not really a breakfast kind of person.
     
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  5. lovinglife

    lovinglife Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I struggle with dawn phenomenon - one day last week I wasn't hungry at breakfast and after testing 5.3 I thought oh that's ok won't bother I'll just have my usual black coffee - tested before lunch 3 hours later and I was 9.6! - I was floored as I've haven't seen that type of number for at least 8 years! - I ate my lunch and 1 hour later was back in the low 5s - I'm not prepared to let my bs do that so now even when I'm not hungry I still eat a bit of something - either a bit of frittata or a 2 egg omelette fried in butter.
     
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  6. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    Dawn Phenomena (aka Liver dump) is a necessary process. Without dp we wouldn't wake up. It supplies us with energy enough to start our day after the fasting (during sleep). In T2 our livers may have been used to splurging too much glucose for too long because of insulin resistance. So, for some people it just takes time, time to lose the fat in and around the liver that promotes insulin resistance and time for the liver to get used to the changes that come with the benefit of lowering carbs whilst raising fats.

    A liver dump can happen at any time during the day or night. The body knows (or thinks it knows) when it requires glucose. FBGs are almost always the last to fall. Have patience, improvements will come.
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Time is a great healer of DP... took over 6 months for mine to get down to rest of the day levels.. try not to stress over it as that will just make it worse!
     
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  8. Starfish18

    Starfish18 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thank you ill try not to stress about it too much then
     
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    Starfish18 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thank you I'll try not to worry about it too much then i guess my body has a lot of repairing to do
     
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    Starfish18 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    It's reassuring to read that others go through the same thing
     
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    Starfish18 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thank you it's reassuring that others go through the same thing
     
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  12. Rachox

    Rachox Type 2 (in remission!) · Master

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    I had dawn phenomenon at first, and I still suffer liver dump if I don’t eat regularly. I know a lot of type 2 use fasting but my liver is way too helpful, or so it thinks! I notice that if I’m late with a meal and start getting peckish then my blood sugar will start to rise, not to levels considered diabetic anymore but a significant rise from those I expect.
     
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    porl69 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    ermmmm @Starfish18 I have read your post over and over again. I can't see any signs of DP? Am I missing a reading?
     
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  14. Starfish18

    Starfish18 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    My fbg was 7.1 and before lunch 5 hours later I was 7.6 is that not due to DP? Yesterday my bg before lunch was 8.5 up from a fbg of 7.2 though I didn't mention that before.
     
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    Starfish18 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    You and me both, my liver seems to be way too helpful too I get a rise if I'm late eating. Here's me thinking my levels should be coming down and my meter tells me otherwise
     
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    porl69 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    OK.....But a 0.5 rise is not huge! I would get that for looking at a piece of chocolate
    Nice dog by the way
     
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    Starfish18 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    No, atm I'm lucky I've never had too much of a huge rise, well, one I've caught anyway. Ha ha I try not to look at chocolate any more lol
    Thank you I have 2 beagles
     
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