Thank you GrantYou'll only know for definite if you test for ketones with a BG meter that offers that facility, or with ketone urine test strips.
Other than the above methods, it would just be guess work.
Grant
If you are eating very low carb (less than 20g per day) then its pretty likely you will be in ketosis.
I find that fasting helps improve my ketone levels too and is much easier once you are fat adapted.
I use a Glucomen LX plus meter which you can get ketone strips for but they are pricey..
Just did a 2 day food free fast and had ketone level of 2.5 mmol/l this morning.
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I just read your recent post in the "Type 2s: What was your fasting blood glucose in a morning" thread. Although I don't know much about dietary ketosis; I think that you'd be unlikely to be in ketosis if your fasting BG was as high as 15.1mmol/L. I may be wrong, but I'd imagine that if you were burning fat for energy then your BG would not be as high.
I really don't want to say too much because I'm not as clued up as others, but you'll only enter proper dietary ketosis when you have depleted all your glycogen stores in the liver. Until such stage, these reserves will be trickling into your blood stream causing you to still be burning glucose (converted from glycogen) for energy.
Grant
Of course you could..it's not that difficult. My longest is 7 days. Once you are fat adapted it becomes much easier. Try skipping a meal occasionally and see how you go. I haven't had breakfast for 11 months so fast from dinner the night before to lunch the next day about 16-17 hours every day.OUCH couldn't do a 2day fast...well done you. Thank you for your response bulkbiker I am eating up to 50g a day but in truth am much lower probably about 20g
To be honest @ellagy , I haven't ever wasted much head space working out whether my ketosis state is in, out or shaken all about. At diagnosis, I only had one single goal - to get my blood numbers down to a healtier (ideally healthy) place. On my way there, I found myself losing weight, and my BP falling into line. My lipids also improved a lot.
My numbers are in my signature, and by my first HbA1c had gone to non-diabetic levels, then got a bit better too.
Provided my numbers stay in the same ranges, I'm neither losing more nor gaining weight significantly and my BP and lipids are behaving themselves I'll continue to ignore whether I'm in ketosis or not. I don't believe it to be the holy grail, although I have no issue with others' great interest it.
Life's too short for me to worry whether x, y or z thing had moved me into or out of ketosis.
That settles it then. I am not going to worry about it either. Many thanks for your reply
Thank you AndBreathe....wise wordsYou can always have a crack at it later on, if you decide to, but I would suggest, for now anyway, that you stick with goals you can easily track your progress in. It's easy with finger pricks to learn if your numers are coming down. If weight is your thing, the scales give you feedback.
Once you've got yourself some way along the road, you can always try new challenges. Maybe that could be the time to have a crack at ketosis. Just my views, obviously.
Good luck with it all.
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I just read your recent post in the "Type 2s: What was your fasting blood glucose in a morning" thread. Although I don't know much about dietary ketosis; I think that you'd be unlikely to be in ketosis if your fasting BG was as high as 15.1mmol/L. I may be wrong, but I'd imagine that if you were burning fat for energy then your BG would not be as high.
I really don't want to say too much because I'm not as clued up as others, but you'll only enter proper dietary ketosis when you have depleted all your glycogen stores in the liver. Until such stage, these reserves will be trickling into your blood stream causing you to still be burning glucose (converted from glycogen) for energy.
Grant
There is a difference between ketosis caused by a low carb ketogenic diet and DKA which is a serious health condition affecting people with little/no endogenous insulin. Since the OP is a Type 2, I'm assuming she's referring to the dietary intervention.What if he has so little insulin that the bg is just hanging around without being used? Then ketosis kicks in anyway no?
That's how one gets dka isn't it?
As @Indy51 has said, there are differences between diabetic ketoacidosis and dietary ketosis. One is life threatening and the other is believed to be perfectly safe.What if he has so little insulin that the bg is just hanging around without being used? Then ketosis kicks in anyway no?
That's how one gets dka isn't it?
Unfortunately Grant it seems that it is the norm... It is 15.5 again this morning.As @Indy51 has said, there are differences between diabetic ketoacidosis and dietary ketosis. One is life threatening and the other is believed to be perfectly safe.
DKA is typically associated with Type1 due to the pancreas producing very little or no insulin at all. As you said, not enough insulin results in high blood sugars, which results in excessive fat burning for fuel, which results in DKA. I'd think that @ellagy has enough IOB from pancreas production and basal injections to keep those bloods (normally) at a good level. I think the 15.1mmol/L was not a typical value.
Grant
Unfortunately Grant it seems that it is the norm... It is 15.5 again this morning.