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Oldvatr said:
I think there is a difference between simple Gastric banding, and what the NHS is pushing for which is to sew off half of the stomach so it is impossible to physically eat the old way ever again. As such the NHS obesity operation is a permanent cure in that it is irreversible. Whilst it does not restrict a high carb diet, it makes it a very restricted diet nonetheless. It has been the centre of a major media blitz with full trumpet fanfare on BBC TV, and has PHE backing as the ONLY CURE for T2D
(Their words).

Whilst we here may know of an alternative treatment, it is not rccognised as being valid and is held to be dangerous to life. Doctors who promote the alternative path find themselves being gagged and / or jailed for their apostasy.
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it may well force a very restricted diet, but I have been reading about people whose very restricted diet consists of chocolate and pureed sweet foods. So I still cant see how it cures anything.
 
I understand that bariatric patients must follow a very low calorie diet for 6 weeks prior to surgery. Why not make it 8 weeks and call it the Newcastle Diet. It might make surgery unnecessary. :rolleyes:
 
Bariatric surgery does not just make the stomach smaller, it also replumbs the small intestine. The stomach will eventually restretch but the plumbing is changed for life.
 
chalup said:
Bariatric surgery does not just make the stomach smaller, it also replumbs the small intestine. The stomach will eventually restretch but the plumbing is changed for life.
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what does this replumbing do? how does it cure diabetes for life?
 
It changes how you absorb different macronutrients. There are a couple different bariatric surgeries that they can do and I have no idea which one they are using in the UK. You can look up roux-en-Y on google for a scientific explanation. This seems to be the most common one in north america.
 
serenity648 said:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-obesity-surgery-bacteria-idUSBRE92Q0ZQ20130327

I am skeptical, very skeptical. Both of the 'slimming 'bacteria theory after such a bypass, and the long term damage and affects that might arise from such surgery.
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I think you are right to be skeptical. There is long term risk of malnutrition and other complications. Our digestive system is made the way it is made for a reason. These surgeries force a change in eating habits and how food is digested but they can and often enough are eaten around such as people blending sweets and living on "milkshakes". For some they may be lifesaving but for me I think it is better to just change my eating habits on my own.
 
Freema said:
tell him that metformin doesn´t cure diabetes... it helps so little that is can be looked upon almost like a stick to lean at when having lost a leg... metformin helps maybe 10% maybe 20% ... but you still have the 100% illness and the only thing really helping diabetes type 2 is to eat very different from normal people and especially reducing carbs on a daily basis, and avoiding sugars, white bread, fruits and other high spiking foods..
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Every little helps.
Anyway what I have painfully realized is that diabetes mandates an eating habits change, fighting agains advertising of heathy foods and well meaning friends and relatives.
There's no cure of diabete: one could only control succesfully the condition, unfortunately.
On this the metformin could help to make a bit easier to get on control the fasting glucose level, but if one eats sugary and starchy foods is possible to get a peak on glucose levels anyway.
 
Actually my OH gets a bit fed up with the carbs business, but he respects my need to try to stay healthy so he puts up with it.
I suspect Pattendowns OH believes his Type 1 family members have a more serious condition and all Type 2s need is a pill to fix them. If only.
If he can't accept you have a serious illness he is in denial, and you will just have to believe for yourself that you are worth the trouble of saving your own health.
 
Energize said:
Hi @pattendown

So sorry to have to meet you here but this forum is the best place to be for friendly, knowledgable advice. :) I'm sorry your OH is burying his head in the sand. I can understand how you must be feeling like banging your head against a brick wall.

You say his mum and brother have Type 1 so yes, as Freema says, Type 1s are able to calculate insulin to cover the carbs they eat. However, Type 2 is very much a different condition. There is an element of 'Insulin Resistance' which means that, although you produce the insulin (whereas Type 1's don't) your body doesn't utilise the insulin properly so glucose levels rise. Although Metformin enables the cells to utilise the insulin better, there is still an issue and it's the raised glucose levels in your system that gradually (or sooner) cause problems, mainly to the nerves and/or circulation, hence many diabetic complications involve losing toes/feet/legs, heart issues and more.

The best way to deal with Type 2 and to minimise complications, is to control your glucose levels. The best way to do this is to control the carbs you eat. If you haven't already, I seriously recommend you buy yourself a Glucometer (SD codefree is reasonable price/function and has the cheapest test strips). In spite of the 'professionals' telling you that Type 2's don't need to test, and to eat carbs, by testing you can work out which foods you can/cannot tolerate and at what level your Glucose levels are. Without this, it's basically impossible to expect anyone to control your Glucose levels. This will take time to get used to.

I suggest, when you get a glucometer and start testing (immediately before your first bite, and then again at 2 hours) you show your OH the effect of your meal. Gradually, he will, hopefully, learn more about Type 2 and realise how it is controllable by checking the carbs etc. Share all the information you find, especially Daisy1's post, so that he will soon be on 'your side' ;)

Take it one day at a time. There is a lot to learn and it is likely to be overwhelming at first. You've got friends here, so do ask, and let us know how you are doing :)
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i did buy a meter as soon as i was diagnosed because i thaught its the only way to tell how things affect me the docs didnt want me to but hey its my problem not theirs
 
can i say thank you all for the helpfull advise i think kenny is just trying to pretend this isnt happening ,its just 1 of a list of things thats happened in the last 2 years i think its too much for him although he wouldnt admit that
 
Hi Pattendown,

I don't know if you need to lose weight or not but the main thing you should be focusing on for yourself is your health and your future. As all of the others have said test, test, test until you know how different foods affect you. Stick with a low carb high fat plan and you will see a drastic improvement in numbers in a few months and if you need to lose weight you should see a loss there too. Keep away from processed foods and cook from scratch (with lots of above ground veggies )so that you know exactly what you are eating.
 
After I had been low carb a while my OH started to see the benefits and has reduced her carb intake as well and is now losing the weight she had for so long wanted to lose but conventional dieting had failed.her.
 
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