Right. I often hear is that after 6 years the beta cell pancreas will continue to fall to 30%, but if there is a successful control of blood sugar with only a diet of more than 6 years then this is a remarkable thingI'm not so sure T2D is progressive either. After 40 years in business, one of the most dangerous things I've found is to treat an assumption as a fact. Especially since "what everybody knows" is frequently wrong.
So, a question I've found useful (and that in retrospect, I wish I had asked more often) is, "is that an assumption or a fact?"
I have my 6 year anniversary next month. As of last A1c, my BG is still in the non-diabetic range. Long may that continueafter 6 years the beta cell pancreas will continue to fall to 30%, but if there is a successful control of blood sugar with only a diet of more than 6 years then this is a remarkable thing
I have my 6 year anniversary next month. As of last A1c, my BG is still in the non-diabetic range. Long may that continue
amazing, your father use low carb diet too? may be true low-carbo diet is very influentialanecdata warning:
my father has had T2 for 38 years and is still not on insulin or any major diabetic drugs. He changed his diet.
my brother has had T2 for 5 years and is now on all manner of heavy diabetic drugs (not insulin, but the others, and insulin has been mentioned by his diabetic nurse in the last 6 months) and hasnt change his diet.
so I think diet has a very big part to play in all of this. The degree and speed of progression may very from person to person, but I think diet is a big enough factor to make a big difference.
may be true low-carbo diet is very influential
indeed, thanks pinkorchidI think it is impossible to predict how long we can keep our diabetes under control with a low carb diet because we are all very different people. We can only keep on doing it and hope it will be for a long time
Right. I often hear is that after 6 years the beta cell pancreas will continue to fall to 30%, but if there is a successful control of blood sugar with only a diet of more than 6 years then this is a remarkable thing
Right. I often hear is that after 6 years the beta cell pancreas will continue to fall to 30%, but if there is a successful control of blood sugar with only a diet of more than 6 years then this is a remarkable thing
you are right, @kokhongw said we not lack the medicineThat's why I would rather be aiming for A1c in the low 30s with Metformin, then excepting an A1c just below 50 without! I expect that for diet to do anything other the slow down the decline, someone needs to get an A1c will below 50, maybe even below 40 is needed.
But let remember that if diet only buys us 10 years, that can be long enough so as to allow the drug to then keep us in good enough control to prevent complications for the rest of our life.
There is an assumption that fats cause cardio or vascular problems which doesn't seem to be proven - the reverse - that avoiding fats will result in an improvement in cardio vascular health seems even more tenuous.I'm a type 1 but also have heart disease so have been told can't have fats except for good fats. What do you call low carb? How many carbs do you have in a day? Type 1's surely can't go without carbs or meds or will die?
Low carb to treat type two seems to be about 50 gm of carb a day for many - some eat fewer and some can manage more, it has to be tested.
You can always do what i do and take a lowish carb, medium fat route. See how it goes, and then tweak if you want to further down the line. This is a long term health condition, so its Ok to do a bit, then see what happens, then maybe do more if you want to. Although many on here do low carb under 50g a day, many of us do not.I am still scared of low carb, like it's dangerous long term. This is not based on ANYTHING rational. Just a creeping sense "what if the experts are wrong?" like they were about low fat. Just shows how insidious the low fat propaganda is I guess!
It was a well known way of eating back in the days of William Banting, and it was derided by medical 'experts' back then, even though it was successfully used for weightloss by many thousands, then a hundred years later Dr Atkins was called a quack but he helped many people with heart and health conditions before going for the weight loss market - just how long does something have to be used and found safe and effective by those using it to be even considered for investigation by the established professions?I am still scared of low carb, like it's dangerous long term. This is not based on ANYTHING rational. Just a creeping sense "what if the experts are wrong?" like they were about low fat. Just shows how insidious the low fat propaganda is I guess!
I think it says more about me and my eating habits than the effectiveness of low carb! I eat like some folk use alcohol.You can always do what i do and take a lowish carb, medium fat route. See how it goes, and then tweak if you want to further down the line. This is a long term health condition, so its Ok to do a bit, then see what happens, then maybe do more if you want to. Although many on here do low carb under 50g a day, many of us do not.
I personally have no doubts about low carbing, and would go lower than i do if I didnt have other health issues to consider.
Oh there's nothing rational in my fears. I suspect it simply doesn't give me the emotional buzz high carb does.It was a well known way of eating back in the days of William Banting, and it was derided by medical 'experts' back then, even though it was successfully used for weightloss by many thousands, then a hundred years later Dr Atkins was called a quack but he helped many people with heart and health conditions before going for the weight loss market - just how long does something have to be used and found safe and effective by those using it to be even considered for investigation by the established professions?
I started eating low carb in the early 1970s and was told it was dangerous and ill advised, yet I always felt ill and put on loads of weight on 'normal' diets, and on 'doctor supervised' low calorie diets I felt that I was dying - probably because I was.
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