Cinderella56
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- Type of diabetes
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That seems to be a lot of information for somebody starting out! I just cut out anything obviously sweet, cakes deserts etc and the usual starches bread, potatoes, rice pasta. I have never tried to be ketogenic, restricted protein or taken any supplements My HbA1c dropped from 53 to 38 in 3 months on about 70g of carbs a day. My advice would be to start simply, see how you get on for a few weeks and adjust accordingly.Welcome @Cinderella56
So long as you're eating lots of healthy fats and moderate amounts of protein with your low carb ketogenic diet and staying away from sugar, grains, and unhealthy, highly refined, high omega 6, vegetable oils, and greatly limiting starchy legumes and root vegetables and sugary fruits, you'll do okay - (small amounts of low carb fruit - (lemons, limes, and grapefruit) - and berries - (blueberries, strawberries, raspberries, and blackberries) are fine.
Hopefully you're eating a salad with lots of greens and a vinaigrette dressing of extra virgin olive oil and vinegar a few times a week, also non-starchy, above ground vegetables with all your meals.
What you may not know is that it's not just carbs that cause glucose spikes, protein does too. In general, you want to limit protein intake to 1 gram per kilogram of lean body mass weight per day, and distribute it throughout all meals.
Another consideration is reducing stress. I walk too, but not if my body is telling me to take a day off. Walking, swimming is good. Keep doing it, but don't over do it. You'll find that as you become more insulin sensitive, you'll be able to knock a higher than normal glucose level down with just 15 - 20 minutes of walking.
Another important consideration is your nutrient status. Most of us need to supplement with a minimum of vitamin D3, fish oil, magnesium, and zinc. If you're eating a vegan or vegetarian diet, I'd add a vitamin B12, possibly a B-complex initially. A good quality multi-vitamin and mineral supplement is helpful too. If you're D3 levels are really low - (you'll need to get tested) - you'll need to take a lot of vitamin D3 (with vitamin K2 to keep calcium out of your arteries while temporarily increasing your intake of higher doses of D3).
Most people are deficient in the minerals magnesium and zinc, particularly those of us who have diabetes. Those who also have a thyroid condition often benefit from taking selenium too.
You can research most of this through Google. It's always good to do your own research.
Keep walking, keep swimming, keep monitoring your glucose levels and adjusting your eating as needed.
I started on a 30 - 40 gram carbohydrate diet 27 months ago. Today I eat closer to 40 - 50 grams a day, and can knock a high glucose level down if I take a 20 minute walk an hour and a half after my meal as needed.
From what you've written, it sounds like you're on track with learning how to manage you diabetes. You've come to the right place with questions. Keep reading and asking questions. Again, welcome!
Surely not everyone needs, or desires, to be in ketosis. I average about 20g per meal with an occasional snack which puts my intake up to approx 90g per day - my FBS is between the high 4s and low 5s and am usually down to 6.0 2 hours after meals. I just tend to eat what I know will not affect my BS too much inc small amounts of bread and potatoes.Hi Cinderella
Some might consider 30g carbs per meal to be excessive.....I aim for under 20g per day and am doing OK on it.....at 90g carbs per day you will never get into ketosis and start to burn fat instead of carbs - maybe this is why you feel kna**ered when you take exercise? I go to gym (1 1/2hrs on bike, rower, weights & 1/2hr swim) 3x a week and seem to be doing all right.
If you try reducing your carbs again, I'm sure your BS will improve as well. What I try to do is check the amount of carbs per 100g on packaged foods - I don't eat anything more than 4.5g.
Hope this helps
D23
Hi @Cinderella56 welcome to the forum. The only advice I can give is eat to your meter - use it to guide you as to what you can eat without affecting your BS. We are all individuals and what works for one person will not for somebody else. I seem to be luckier than many on here in that I can eat more 'carby' foods such as bread and potatoes and, through testing, have managed to determine which type suits me best. My average carb intake is about 90g per day which is still relatively low carb and I eat full fat but do not worry too much if I have a higher carb meal than usual. That said I enjoy nothing more than a big plate of salad with either ham, cheese, smoked mackerall or home made scotch egg and some Greek yoghurt with berries for dessert!Hello All
New to Diabetes type two and was diagnosed at the end of February.. I am not overweight only weigh 9 and a half stone and am 5 foot 4 inches tall.. I exercise a lot and do not eat unhealthy foods that much.. but I had gestational diabetes three times and Diabetes runs in the family. So I don't need to lose much weight if any.. I have started by cutting carbs and cutting all the puds cakes etc but not sure how low I can go. with the starchy carbs.. I have read the David Cavan book and am trying to only eat 30g of carbs at each meal.. mostly this is working as I am testing after my main meal to see how my BS is and most of the time its under 9 sometimes lower nearer 7.. however at times it is 10 or ll.. so not sure if I am doing ok or not. But if I go lower I run out of steam and don't have the energy I need for my exercise ( Aqua classes swimming and walking .. and not just to the shops .. usually 2 to 4 mile walks.
Thanks
Hi Cinderella
Some might consider 30g carbs per meal to be excessive.....I aim for under 20g per day and am doing OK on it.....at 90g carbs per day you will never get into ketosis and start to burn fat instead of carbs - maybe this is why you feel kna**ered when you take exercise? I go to gym (1 1/2hrs on bike, rower, weights & 1/2hr swim) 3x a week and seem to be doing all right.
If you try reducing your carbs again, I'm sure your BS will improve as well. What I try to do is check the amount of carbs per 100g on packaged foods - I don't eat anything more than 4.5g.
Hope this helps
D23
I second this I stick to around 100g of carbs spaced out throughout the day with some snacks 15g. Though I use the 100g of carbs like a bank.Surely not everyone needs, or desires, to be in ketosis. I average about 20g per meal with an occasional snack which puts my intake up to approx 90g per day - my FBS is between the high 4s and low 5s and am usually down to 6.0 2 hours after meals. I just tend to eat what I know will not affect my BS too much inc small amounts of bread and potatoes.
Agree. Ketosis is NOT essential, but it helps with weight loss (not a desired effect for the OP) and for reducing fatty livers (NAFLD). It also helps us to deal with the occasional hypo event that may occur until any medication adjustments are complete, since most of us using LC find we need to reduce our prescription meds. But it is possible to reduce bgl to good levels without ketosis if that is your design aim.Surely not everyone needs, or desires, to be in ketosis. I average about 20g per meal with an occasional snack which puts my intake up to approx 90g per day - my FBS is between the high 4s and low 5s and am usually down to 6.0 2 hours after meals. I just tend to eat what I know will not affect my BS too much inc small amounts of bread and potatoes.
Would not disagree with this sentiment at all...."low carb" can be a broad church (no, not that programme on the telly where everyone gets killedLow carb can be up to 130g carbs a day
How many you personally should have is informed by your after meal blood tests. Some Type 2s here eat minimal carbs but others can manage more.
The advice is to Eat To Your Meter
Hello All
New to Diabetes type two and was diagnosed at the end of February.. I am not overweight only weigh 9 and a half stone and am 5 foot 4 inches tall.. I exercise a lot and do not eat unhealthy foods that much.. but I had gestational diabetes three times and Diabetes runs in the family. So I don't need to lose much weight if any.. I have started by cutting carbs and cutting all the puds cakes etc but not sure how low I can go. with the starchy carbs.. I have read the David Cavan book and am trying to only eat 30g of carbs at each meal.. mostly this is working as I am testing after my main meal to see how my BS is and most of the time its under 9 sometimes lower nearer 7.. however at times it is 10 or ll.. so not sure if I am doing ok or not. But if I go lower I run out of steam and don't have the energy I need for my exercise ( Aqua classes swimming and walking .. and not just to the shops .. usually 2 to 4 mile walks.
Thanks
It is not clear who your remarks are being made about in your last 2 postings here, but one or two things are clear from what the OP has told us. Firstly they are following David Cavan, who is an advisor for this site (DCUK)Okay, now that I've hopefully restored at least some of my credibility here...hopefully... I'd like to speak to the push back against the ketogenic diet...
Do all diabetics need to be on the ketogenic diet? No, absolutely not.
That said, for those of us who live with severe insulin resistance, who did not know about the low carb high fat diet until our diabetes had progressed and worsened over many years, the ketogenic diet is reversing complications and restoring health.
I facilitate a diabetes support, education, and walking group. Now in my mid-50's, up until recently, I was the youngest member of the group. Our oldest member is in their mid-80's.
Of the 10 members associated with our group, 4 have been hospitalized in the last 60 days. Me for vertigo, two for a life threatening, hypertensive episode, and one for eye surgery. The middle two, who had been doing well over the past year, had taken on new responsibilities and hadn't been following the diets that had worked for them as closely as normal.
And to top that, I got a call this week from an old acquaintance who has diabetes, had been eating poorly recently, and landed in the hospital with a life threatening infection (and high glucose levels). I knew the acquaintance had diabetes, but was led to believe it was well controlled.
I've been on the ketogenic diet alternating with periods on the low carbohydrate diet for 27 months. My peak weight was 180 pounds, my current weight is 145 pounds, so I have more weight to lose. Just doing it slowly. A1c was 9.9% at diagnosis, 5.4% when last checked.
If I have one cookie, or one small slice of pizza, my glucose level will hit 180 - 200 mg/dL (7.9 - 8.6 mmol/L). At those levels, if sustained over time, the body is being damaged. Thankfully, the human body is amazing, and much of that damage can be undone with diet, thoughtfully chosen nutritional supplements, and physical exercise, but diet is foundational.
You can't exercise your way out of diabetes as shown again and again by athletes and you can't supplement your way out of it either (though you can use physical activity to knock down a high glucose level and you can use supplements to treat nutritional deficiencies due to a variety of causes).
Yes, do talk here about the diet and strategies that work well for you, but please refrain from discouraging anyone from doing the ketogenic diet.
The original poster may do fine on the low carbohydrate diet with additional adjustments or may need to do the ketogenic diet for a period of time. Don't know. It's best to keep all options open. Eating this way is different but not in any way a sacrifice, but it does take time and effort to learn, more easily done with support from you all here.
The food I eat on the low carb and ketogenic diet is far better in every way than what I used to eat. It's healthy, tastes great, and is very satisfying - (so long as I can have my paleo muffin made with almond flour once a week. Some old habits die hard).
It seems to be at the root of your posting. It was the following that I found worrying@Oldvatr I'm totally confused. Where did I say the OP should do keto? In fact all the advice I provided in my most recent post - [no I meant the post just prior to that one, post #14, sorry] - was supportive of her continuing on the low carbohydrate diet.
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