Yes, it's really interesting isn't it! There doesn't seem to be many WFPB no oil people on here, I guess because the site pushes Keto, so it draws people following that, so the others go elsewhere. I personally know a number of people that have reversed their diabetes, normalised their lipids and seen the results of their arteries clearing on scans after following the recommendations of Dr McDougall and Dr Esselstyn etc, and are on a number of groups with lots in the same boat. With everyones health, its their own body that will suffer the consequences, so they have to do the research for themself and make the choice. Dr McDougall says that the high fat plant based foods like seeds, nuts and avocados should not be eaten if you are in a diseased state, such as elevated lipids, blood sugars etc, until your numbers normalise, and then, the general ratio should be approx 80% carbs/ 10% fat or less/ 10% protein. Before I started to follow Dr McDougalls recommendations (before I got the PD diagnosis) I would put marg on my dinner, and ate way too much fat! It's yummy! I always ate healthy food, but used too much olive oil etc, and then I would have the naughty food aside from my meals as I like baking and cooking. I also ate way too much chocolate. I have read the studies about Dr Walter Kempner and the White rice diet, that was done back in the 30's. He took very sick, obese people with T2 and fed them a diet of white rice, fruit, fruit juice and table sugar to make up the additional calories, and no fat whatsoever. Because of their kidney disease, they couldn't eat potasssium rich foods at all. At the end of the 2 years, they were all slim and healthy, despite eating those foods they tell us are bad for diabetics. Ofcourse that is not an ideal diet at all, but i don't believe they know everything about how our bodies work yet, and most doctors just manage symptoms, and prescribe medicine, not actually cure people. I am very interested in knowing more about how things work and reading about others experiences too. My husband has crohn's disease and knows he has to be his own doctor, as the specialists don't have all the answers (they just make him work with their prescriptions they've pushed on him from time to time). So in a nutshell, it's is interesting reading about how things work- even if different from what you are doing. I have elevated cholesterol at 5.9 so I am looking forwards to getting that down now too, since I am eating better. My husband managed to drop his to 2.8 following McDougall's recommendations and his blood pressure is good, whereas his mum and dad have high cholesterol and blood pressure, as does now his brother who is 46 and was a professional athlete all his life! I have known my cholesterol was elevated for the last few years since i first had it tested ,but wasn't willing to stop eating my chocolate etc, until i got the pre-diabetes diagnosis too and realised it was time to stop! :/ Because I have never been overweight really, I thought I was getting away with it! ^ months post partum, I still have 11 kg to lose to get back down to 50 kg, which is my typical adult weight for most of my life, and my fat is ALL around my middle, - the worst place to be, so i assume i may have a bit of fat in the liver to clean out as well? It will be interesting to see what happens re my levels once all the belly fat has gone?