Type 2 How to get rid of diabetes and reduce potential for kidney stones

[woollygal]

So
Went to ultrasound today for them to check last years stone has gone.
It has.
But in right kidney (where it was last time - it was swollen and that’s where pain was) there is evidence that there is either calcification or another stone.
Not in a position where it’s looking to cause problems but it’s there.

My concern is to do LCHF you eat lots of protein. The advice from the consultant and the leaflet (given to me 6 months after the incident) says reduce protein.

I am completely lost again. Can’t speak to dr because well she says she is fine with low carb but doesn’t want me too low.

But i just don’t know how to improve both at the same time because they seem to contradict each other.

I want to research what to eat for kidney stones but I have no
Idea where to start. Google is one thing but how do you know it’s the right advice and not just some **** and bull.

I am completely lost and stressed and upset.

I could focus on one but then suffer with the other!

Other than get myself a new body I’m lost.

 

[Resurgam]

It is low carb, high fat , and normal protein.
There is no advantage gained by eating more protein than you need - you break down and excrete excess protein.
There is a lot of nonsense put about - I sometimes think it has to be malicious as surely people can't be that misinformed - but it just goes on and on, seemingly hydralike.

 

[woollygal]

It is low carb, high fat , and normal protein.
There is no advantage gained by eating more protein than you need - you break down and excrete excess protein.
There is a lot of nonsense put about - I sometimes think it has to be malicious as surely people can't be that misinformed - but it just goes on and on, seemingly hydralike.

I always say plenty of protein as it fills me up.

So it’s fine to continue with LCHF?

 

[KK123]

It's difficult when you have opposing targets. I think the problem is that many of the low carb foods naturally contain protein rather than an individual choosing to eat MORE protein. I wonder if there are any/many low protein, low carb foods?

 

[Brunneria]

If you don't want to raise your carbs, or have too much protein, then you can raise the fat and drop the protein.
It is fairly easy to eat an ounce or two less of the meat or fish, and add a bit extra butter or mayo to the veg.
Likewise, with a chunk of cheese, just cut a smaller piece and add a small amount of butter on top.

Since fat is so calorie dense, it is easy to just add a little more fat and get the benefits. Plus, I find it more satiating than protein, but that may not be your experience.

As for the kidney stone, I am obviously no expert and cannot advice you, but from the reading I did on the subject, the biggest trigger for kidney stone formation is NOT protein intake at all. It is dehydration. So I would suggest you read up on that and then prioritise drinking plenty of water throughout the day.

 

[Major Buckmaster]

If you don't want to raise your carbs, or have too much protein, then you can raise the fat and drop the protein.
It is fairly easy to eat an ounce or two less of the meat or fish, and add a bit extra butter or mayo to the veg.
Likewise, with a chunk of cheese, just cut a smaller piece and add a small amount of butter on top.

Since fat is so calorie dense, it is easy to just add a little more fat and get the benefits. Plus, I find it more satiating than protein, but that may not be your experience.

As for the kidney stone, I am obviously no expert and cannot advice you, but from the reading I did on the subject, the biggest trigger for kidney stone formation is NOT protein intake at all. It is dehydration. So I would suggest you read up on that and then prioritise drinking plenty of water throughout the day.

Yeah because you know more than a consultant...

 

[Member496333]

Many people, myself included, hold the view that excessive protein is counterproductive to an optimal low carbohydrate strategy, since the excess amino acids can be reconstructed into glucose under certain conditions. Of course “excessive” is somewhat personal, and our experiences vary, but generally speaking keto/LCHF is not a high protein diet. For the most part, protein is not a source of energy as such, it is the building blocks we need to repair and maintain our cells. Therefore the requisite amount should remain largely consistent for the individual, irrespective of the fat/carb ratio that is being used as fuel. There are of course exceptions, as some people choose to eat almost pure carnivore and seem to get along just fine.

In short, in and of itself, LCHF is not high protein, it is normal protein.

 

[Brunneria]

Yeah because you know more than a consultant...

My post clearly stated that I was not an expert, and encouraged Cana to find easy ways to reduce protein and replace it with other foods. It also encouraged Cana to read up on the subject. So I think your comment is inappropriate.

You may also not be aware that Cana has previously said that reducing drinking during work hours helps to avoid unwanted trips to the toilet.

However, since you seem interested in the subject, here are links to some of the reading that I did, which informed my view:

https://kidneystones.uchicago.edu/fluid-prescription/

https://www.h4hinitiative.com/hydra...ab/water-intake-and-kidney-stones/dehydration

https://kidneystones.uchicago.edu/how-to-drink-enough-water/

https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/extreme-heat-dehydration-linked-to-kidney-stones

https://www.urologyhealth.org/urologic-conditions/kidney-stones

There are, of course, other causes of kidney stones, but drinking enough water is a simple, way for people to reduce their own risk of future stones, and I wish it was publicised more widely.

 

[Guzzler]

Prof. Stuart Phillips is an expert on protein and has a few lectures on YouTube. In my own case, having had kidney stones in the past (always fortunate that I have managed to pass them and that since embarking on LCHF have not had any problems so far) a conscious decision to raise the protein value in my diet in order to stall weight loss has done me no harm in terms of bg or kidney problems.

 

[Resurgam]

There isn't actually any evidence for excess protein causing kidney stones, no research has been done which proves that - it is just the opinion of those giving advice in a medical context - at least that is what Dr Atkins wrote in 2003, and as he did not have a horse in that particular race ...

 

[Jollymon]

Seeing a urologist can tell you what's in your diet that causes you to make kidney stones. Everybody produces them for different reasons. So that specialist can tell you what causes yours, and possible what you should do to eliminate the possibility of making new ones.

I make kidney stones and know they aren't fun. In my testing the urologist said I need to stop drinking tea, and stop eating chocolate and nuts. I also need to work to make my body more acidic. This info only applies to me. Your doctor would have to figure out what causes yours.

I'm not giving up chocolate.