Hypos

JustDomUK

Well-Known Member
Messages
88
Hi
I'm just curious about how people are treating hypos. I was always taught to have some glucose followed by something starchy so that my blood sugar stays up. That was always a swig of Lucozade followed by a jam sandwich (which I now know isn't the best for maintaining good levels). I'm still adjusting to the diet so my insulin levels are still dropping and I'm having a few hypos.

What are people using to treat hypos on a low carb diet?


Cheers
Dom


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

Engineer88

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,130
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Pump
I have always treated a hypo in the same way being low carb - I might be wrong in doing this but instread of a jam sandwhich i would go with a banana or piece of fruit digestive bisc or similar. i generally use DAFNE for low carbing also so maybe that makes the difference.
 

Engineer88

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,130
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Pump
its a carb counting course for type 1's which is Dose Adjusting For Normal Eating. Not sure what type you are, buy there are type 2 courses also. Nost things can be found online if you want further info.
 

JustDomUK

Well-Known Member
Messages
88
I am type 1, been one for 35 years. If I'm understanding you correctly DAFNE is about taking the right amount of insulin for the food you eat? If that's the case I've rebelliously done that since I was a teen despite being told not to by the consultants of the time. :)

In terms of hypos, which I'm struggling with, I spike after a hypo and my blood sugars go into double figures. I've been put on this diet to stabilise my blood sugars (told that it's a diet for life by my specialist) and to lose a bit of weight. Treating the hypos is paramount as I am beginning to get the complications they warned me about and yoyo-ing blood sugars are disrupting my progress.

Cheers
Dom





Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

Engineer88

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,130
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Pump
yep thats it in a nutshell. ive been diabetic for 23 years and have done the same as yourself. do you inject or pump? if you havent got a pump i would suggest you look into one, cant recomend one enough. also I have found a CGM (continous glucose monitor) has changed my life for the better. Just an idea.
Low carb will help you out but i find boucing is a side effect of hypo. I've moved away from lucozade (too easy to have too much) to 1 carton of juice (either orange or apple) they type with a straw. They are generally around 20g of carbs which is both enough to bring me up and sustain me taking away the need for carby snack (another side effect of pumping - no long acting insulin means a drop can be corrected much easier).

Hope that makes sense :)
 

hale710

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,903
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Insulin
I don't low carb, but I would think that a hypo situation is not the time to be overly worried about low carbing!

I use the 200ml cartons of apple juice usually. So 20g carb. If my next meal is over an hour away I follow it with a biscuit of some sort... Jaffacakes are my favourite at 9g carb each :)


Sent from the Diabetes Forum App
 

JustDomUK

Well-Known Member
Messages
88
I am on a pump thankfully, no cgm though.

Hale Thanks for replying, I'm not so much concerned about low carbing when in a hypo lol more about the spiking/yoyo effect afterwards. I'm not driven by the diet but by stabilising blood sugars.

I will try the juice option, cheers.

Dom


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

SamJB

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,857
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Pump
I too have heard that for hypo treatment, you should have some fast acting carbs followed by slower acting carbs. This doesn't work for me though - I need the first dose of fast acting carbs, but a dose of slower acting carbs would send me high.

By the way, I'm a low carber and would never "low carb" my way out of a hypo (how that would be done, I don't know). I always carry Dextro tablets with me because they are fast acting and the amount of dextrose in them is very precise. I take three to five depending on how low I am, how active I am and how soon I've gone hypo after having fast acting insulin.

I only have Lucozade when I'm in the 2s (which I've not experienced since low carbing 18 months ago), or I suspect the hypo will require a fair amount of glucose.
 

smidge

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,761
Type of diabetes
LADA
Treatment type
Insulin
Like Sam, I only need the first hit of sugar generally - a follow-up hit of long-acting carb will send my BG high! I usually only need 1 jelly baby, or my new favourites a Hero or Celebration - this means that I usually only need about 6g carb to correct a hypo. Having said that, I tend to not get very low hypos - no worse than low 3s with the occasional high 2 - and virtually all carb hits my BG within minutes, so the little chocolates are fine for me! The only exception to this is if I've been drinking wine - then I need a couple of biscuits to make sure my BG stays where it should - I usually use the esco Rich Tea finger biscuits which have 3.8g carb each.

Smidge
 

Garr

Well-Known Member
Messages
360
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Insulin
Would agree with Sam and smidge, just the initial boost for me, any more and it goes the other way. A jelly baby raises my blood sugar by about 1mmol in about 10 mins. I think that's the reason people tend to spike after a hypo, but, better to be safe than sorry I suppose.
 

noblehead

Guru
Retired Moderator
Messages
23,618
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Pump
Dislikes
Disrespectful people
Agree with everyone else that you shouldn't worry about how you treat your hypo whether you low-carb or not. I find if it's within 2 hours of injecting then I'll follow up with a small carby snack as I know that my insulin is still active, otherwise it's 2 jelly babies as I normally pick-up on the hypo before it gets too low. Everyone at some time has over-treated a hypo and it's only by experience do you find out what works best, much like yourself I would swing from low to high but now manage to keep them within range.

As your experiencing quite a few hypo's I would suggest you speak with your DSN about adjusting your insulin doses again. good luck Dom and hope you get on top of things soon!
 

Solestar

Active Member
Messages
29
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Insulin
Dislikes
Ignorance, apathy and Cretinopathy (a term coined by lowcarbdibetic.co.uk) which is a common diabetes related condition where people who should know better (Healthcare professionals and Diabetes charities) advise diabetics to consume high carbohydrate/sugar food.
Before LCHF, if I had a hypo I'd turn into a carb monster and eat everything in sight and then spend the rest of the day chasing highs. The trick now is to manage the hypo without having a blood glucose overshoot or as Dr Bernstein says, to raise your blood sugar predictably.

Glucose tablets (made from the same sugar as blood sugar) do not have to be digested or converted by the liver into anything else. Unlike other sweets, they are directly absorbed into the blood through the mucous membranes of the stomach. I always keep Dextro Energy tablets (available in any chemist) beside the bed. They contain 3g of glucose each and 1 tablet should raise the blood sugar of a 140lb person by approximately 15mg/dl or 0.83mmol/l. For a person who weighs 175lbs that goes down to 4mg/dl and 0.66mmol/l respectively.

Take your target glucose level, figure out how much below it you are (not easy when you're in hypo, I know!) and then chew enough glucose tablets to get you back to your target. Say your target is 5.5, at 2.8 you're 2.7 under target. If you're 140lbs, 3 tablets will raise your levels by 2.49, 3.5 will raise it by 2.9. If you're 175lbs, 4 will raise it by 2.6. You will need to check the impact this has on your levels and if you are still low after 45 minutes, take some more. As you have safely corrected the hypo, if you feel you need to eat, have a small, low carb snack with your usual medication.

As you eat less carbs, you might find your insulin requirements are falling as your insulin resistance lowers and so may need to adjust your background insulin, as this is what controls your fasting glucose levels.

Dr Bernstein's 'The Diabetes Solution' is an excellent resource to have in your diabetes toolkit and I can't recommend it highly enough. He has been a long term diabetic, who, feeling let down by the medical community became a doctor himself and has since helped many, many thousands of people achieve near normal glucose levels with dietary carbohydrate restriction. http://www.diabetes-book.com/

Julie
 

JustDomUK

Well-Known Member
Messages
88
Thanks all. Managed my first night without a hypo. Extreme carb cutting means extreme insulin cutting in my experience so far.
:/

Solestar the book link you provided doesn't work but I've googled the book and it gives the address as: www.diabetes-solution.com


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 

Solestar

Active Member
Messages
29
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Insulin
Dislikes
Ignorance, apathy and Cretinopathy (a term coined by lowcarbdibetic.co.uk) which is a common diabetes related condition where people who should know better (Healthcare professionals and Diabetes charities) advise diabetics to consume high carbohydrate/sugar food.
That's fantastic news! There's nothing worse than waking up in hypo and then havng that dragging, heavy headed feeling for the rest of the day.

Sorry about the link but glad you managed to find it anyway. This is also a great website, put together by doctors who follow the low carb philosophy. Hope this link works.

Julie

http://www.dsolve.com/learn-the-solution