Ideas for a Low Carb NO Fat diet

[janeliz]

I try to follow a low to mod carbs and a low fat diet. Basically,some fats can go straight through me and carbs play havoc with my BG's and then add fish allergy into the equation!!! I have hereditary high cholesterol, type 1 diabetes, gallstones and pancreatitis complications. I don't think a no fat diet is possible, like a no sugar diet is impossible. Most food groups in moderation are required and so much is hidden in food it is impossible to follow any safe diet. Just follow your own instinct. We spend our lives following fad diets, this is wrong or right.

 

[andcol]

you will not survive with no fat if you could do it

 

[Wurst]

Have you watched that video I posted yet Wurst? He explains what happens when we low carb; including the impact on the composition of LDL.

Yeah watched it and not overly convinced. Not leaving this to chance and going on a full scale LDL lowering mission. In addition to a very very low fat diet and 10 mg of statins per day , i've started on artichoke leaf extract, margarine fortified with Sterols and Stanols, Benecol yogurt and, much to the disgust of my family, a higher fiber intake.

Lets see what happens at my next blood test in April

 

[zand]

I understand your concerns about your cholesterol level and your need to reduce it. I am a little worried about the margarine though as it's so processed.

 

[jack412]

marge is a trans fat, isn't it?

 

[Scandichic]

Thanks for all the replies ,perhaps I wasn't clear by eating a fat based diet I have increased my LDL to way above normal (potentially dangerous levels). My triglycerides are good and my HDL is off the scales high (which is also good). I strenuously exercise every day so having high LDL is abnormal.

The increase in (good) fat consumption may not have a positive impact on cholesterol in some people , unfortunately i am in that category (and with hereditary cholesterol problems thrown in I have no chance).

What is your cholesterol?
Mine is 7.2
HDL 1.4
Trigs 0.51
Ldl 5.1
Sounds awful BUT.......
It depends on whether the ldl is made up of large or small particles. The cholesterol test gives the break down but it doesn't look at the particle size. It is the small ldl particles which stick to the sides and the only way to find this out is to have a particle test. My doc tried to make me go on statins because of my cholesterol. I said I would if he paid for the particle test. He declined!
I eat 1 sausage (97% meat) and 2 eggs for brekkie. Sometimes with mushrooms. I eat a tapas style lunch made up of pieces of meat, cheese, tomatoes, olives, cucumber, nuts - whatever I can find. Sometimes leftovers. My evening meal is fish or meat with veggies or salad. Last night we had chicken casserole made with 1/2 pint of double cream and green veggies. I am ok with root veggies so had small spoon of carrot and swede mash made with garlic butter. I have berries from time to time, lchf dessert twice a week and snack on cheese or nuts. I require a small piece of cheese to fill me up. Sometimes I have a small piece of cake. Literally a sliver. Usually a couple of times a month. Although this week twice but this is not the norm.

 

[Wurst]

I understand your concerns about your cholesterol level and your need to reduce it. I am a little worried about the margarine though as it's so processed.

It's this type or margarine:-

http://www.floraproactiv.co.uk/proactiv/lower-cholesterol-through-diet/plant-sterols.aspx

It tastes like shoe polish but contains plant sterols/ stanols which should lower LDL.

 

[Wurst]

What is your cholesterol?

My LDL was around 182 (i assume mg/dl) , HDL was 69 and triglycerides around 49 if I recall correctly.

 

[Scandichic]

My LDL was around 182 (i assume mg/dl) , HDL was 69 and triglycerides around 49 if I recall correctly.

I don't understand these figures. Are you able to convert them?

 

[Wurst]

I don't understand these figures. Are you able to convert them?

For the LDL182 mg/dL = 4.7138 mmol/L , in other words too high

 

[boron]

You need some fat because 2 fatty acids are essential. I don't think going below 10% fat is a good idea. Fat alone does not increase LDL cholesterol.

What can raise your LDL cholesterol:
- High trans fat intake: foods with partly hydrogenated oils, often in fast food, certain margarines. A margarine with added stanols and sterols is very unlikely high in trans fat, but you can read the labels.
- High cholesterol intake: eggs, shrimps, organ meats
- High saturated fat intake in combination with high cholesterol and low unsaturated fat intake

If overweight, losing weight can lower LDL.
It is soluble fiber (oats, barley, beans) that can lower LDL.

 

[AnnieC]

Your health comes first and you know what is best for you and you say to much fat is not the best way You can lower carbs without going the full saturated fat route
I do moderate carbs I have good oils like coconut and olive oil but I don't eat red meat I really only have chicken turkey and oily fish like salmon and like you mackeral and sardines they are really good for you. I do eat cheese and eggs still have spread because I prefer it a lot of vegetables and try to include dark greens like spinach and kale every day sometimes in a green smoothie

 

[Scandichic]

For the LDL182 mg/dL = 4.7138 mmol/L , in other words too high

Mine is 5.1, 5.2
I would ask for a particle test. If the particles come back as mostly big and fluffy then you have nothing to worry about. But then again, your doc knows that! Have a look at statins. Just type it into this website.it makes for very interesting reading! Then make an informed choice. You may come to the conclusion that you want to reduce your fat intake. Fair enough. Your body,your choice. Good luck with whatever path you take!

 

[Scandichic]

You need some fat because 2 fatty acids are essential. I don't think going below 10% fat is a good idea. Fat alone does not increase LDL cholesterol.

What can raise your LDL cholesterol:
- High trans fat intake: foods with partly hydrogenated oils, often in fast food, certain margarines. A margarine with added stanols and sterols is very unlikely high in trans fat, but you can read the labels.
- High cholesterol intake: eggs, shrimps, organ meats
- High saturated fat intake in combination with high cholesterol and low unsaturated fat intake

If overweight, losing weight can lower LDL.
It is soluble fiber (oats, barley, beans) that can lower LDL.

Actually there is nolink between foods which are high in cholesterol and your body's consumption of them.

 

[msmi1970]

my LDL was 5.6 & TC was 7.3 after 4 months of LCHF.
Trigs also elevated. HDL average.
just decided to give my body more time to adapt and retest in 2 months.

 

[diabetesfood please!]

How does a high legume and fiber diet work for you all? increaseing som vital part into your diet should be the easiest way to automtically lower the bad stuff, such as high fat fried food and unhealthy snacks? Just a question?

 

[jack412]

For the LDL182 mg/dL = 4.7138 mmol/L , in other words too high

your trig is 49 or 0.55 and means your LDL are light fluffy
http://www.endmemo.com/medical/unitconvert/Triglycerides.php

http://www.hughcalc.org/chol.php
Your Total Cholesterol of 260 is HIGH RISK
Your LDL of 182 is HIGH RISK
Your HDL of 69 is OPTIMAL
Your Triglyceride level of 49 is NORMAL
RATIOS:
Your Total Cholesterol/HDL ratio is: 3.77 - (preferably under 5.0, ideally under 3.5) GOOD
Your HDL/LDL ratio is: 0.379 - (preferably over 0.3, ideally over 0.4) GOOD
Your triglycerides/HDL ratio is: 0.710 - (preferably under 4, ideally under 2) IDEAL

 

[boron]

Actually there is nolink between foods which are high in cholesterol and your body's consumption of them.

According to one estimation, in about 30% of people high dietary cholesterol intake results in increased cholesterol levels (cholesterol hyperresponders)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16340654
"...dietary cholesterol increases the concentrations of both circulating LDL and high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol in those individuals who experience an increase in plasma cholesterol following egg consumption (hyperresponders)."

Also, a diet high in both saturated fat and cholesterolol can result in decreased LDL clearance from the blood. Diet high in only saturated fat or only cholesterol would not affect LDL clearance as much as the combination of both.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9430388/
"When individuals or animals are rendered hyperlipemic by other factors (e.g. chronic caloric and dietary cholesterol excesses in humans or by cholesterol feeding in animals) specific saturated fats (particularly palmitic acid) can contribute to decreased LDL receptor activity [and thus decreased LDL clearance] initiated by a primary factor, such as dietary cholesterol. However, LDLr down-regulation by dietary cholesterol greatly exceeds any contribution from SFAs."

 

[AndBreathe]

Yeah watched it and not overly convinced. Not leaving this to chance and going on a full scale LDL lowering mission. In addition to a very very low fat diet and 10 mg of statins per day , i've started on artichoke leaf extract, margarine fortified with Sterols and Stanols, Benecol yogurt and, much to the disgust of my family, a higher fiber intake.

Lets see what happens at my next blood test in April

Good luck with that.

In your shoes, with that margin of concern, I'd be more inclined to invest in the test to identify LDL particle sizes that industrial quantities of sterols, stanols, statins and artichoke leaf, but that's just me.

I will be seriously interested in your results in April, as I too have more than my fair share of LDL.

 

[sanguine]

According to one estimation, in about 30% of people high dietary cholesterol intake results in increased cholesterol levels (cholesterol hyperresponders)

Interesting interpretation of the first abstract - the concluding summary actually says

"SUMMARY:
For these reasons, dietary recommendations aimed at restricting egg consumption should not be generalized to include all individuals. We need to acknowledge that diverse healthy populations experience no risk in developing coronary heart disease by increasing their intake of cholesterol but, in contrast, they may have multiple beneficial effects by the inclusion of eggs in their regular diet."