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Dmcc0

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Ah - it depends on the definition of food - something in a plastic tray or pot heated up in a microwave fails on several levels
Haha. I'm not suggesting that's what you or anyone else should be eating, rather it was just an example that stuck in my mind of something that was quite low carb (in % terms) but was way over what most would consider low carb by the time you consider the portion size.

My point still remains than total carbs is a more accurate benchmark for low carb than percentage, but if that works for you (and others) that's great. For folk that are new to this though it's probably not great advice given my example above and would rule out quite a lot of other things that were perfectly fine to have (or at least try)
 

chri5

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Haha. I'm not suggesting that's what you or anyone else should be eating, rather it was just an example that stuck in my mind of something that was quite low carb (in % terms) but was way over what most would consider low carb by the time you consider the portion size.

My point still remains than total carbs is a more accurate benchmark for low carb than percentage, but if that works for you (and others) that's great. For folk that are new to this though it's probably not great advice given my example above and would rule out quite a lot of other things that were perfectly fine to have (or at least try)
Lots of people have a daily amount of carbs as a target so, if the meal you mentioned was the main meal of the day, 36g may not actually be that high if all the other meals were vlc. The useful thing about the percentage method is that it tells you how much of that particular food you can eat.
 
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oh_dear_me

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It can be a tricky one this low carb diet though sometimes. I aim for between 80/100g of carbs a day now which I know some would think was way too high. Beans and legumes form an essential part of my diet as I don't eat meat. I've found that a great deal of the diet doctor site and other low carb sites talk mainly about meat in each meal. Yes there are some veggie options but it's mostly meat based. I can't say I'm a massive fan of very low carb as I actually felt rather unwell on it....of course that may well have been because my diet was so limited as I didn't eat meat! Adding some grains, low carb bread and beans back improved how I felt 100% Current hba1c is 46...could be better but getting there ;)
I think it just goes to show that you have to find the way that works for you....and testing after each meal of course.
 

Dmcc0

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Lots of people have a daily amount of carbs as a target so, if the meal you mentioned was the main meal of the day, 36g may not actually be that high if all the other meals were vlc. The useful thing about the percentage method is that it tells you how much of that particular food you can eat.
Carb % is useful to work out what portion size you could manage and I do it myself too, but the poster I responded to stated that they didn't eat ANYTHING over 10% carbs. I'm not saying it's not useful for some, just that automatically rejecting foods that are above some arbitrary carb % regardless of the actual portion size (and therefore total carb content) could mean folk are rejecting foods that could be eaten with no problems at all.
To compare another example - my wife picked up some soy bean 'spaghetti' the other day for me to try. According to the pack, it's about 16% carbs, but the serving size is 50g - so carbs per portion is around 8g. If this is eaten with some fish/chicken and some veg it would likely be much less carbs than the ready meal mentioned in the previous post but would automatically be rejected using the <10% rule and the ready meal would be considered OK (from a carb only point of view, regardless of whether one considers it real food or not ).
 

chri5

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Carb % is useful to work out what portion size you could manage and I do it myself too, but the poster I responded to stated that they didn't eat ANYTHING over 10% carbs. I'm not saying it's not useful for some, just that automatically rejecting foods that are above some arbitrary carb % regardless of the actual portion size (and therefore total carb content) could mean folk are rejecting foods that could be eaten with no problems at all.
To compare another example - my wife picked up some soy bean 'spaghetti' the other day for me to try. According to the pack, it's about 16% carbs, but the serving size is 50g - so carbs per portion is around 8g. If this is eaten with some fish/chicken and some veg it would likely be much less carbs than the ready meal mentioned in the previous post but would automatically be rejected using the <10% rule and the ready meal would be considered OK (from a carb only point of view, regardless of whether one considers it real food or not ).
I agree and, whilst I eat low carb , I would be quite happy to eat something 20% carbs if I was only having a very small portion of it and also that I knew it not to be a food that spiked me. Personally, I don`t like to have to stick to rules too rigidly but I realise that some people find that this kind of discipline helps them enormously. Each to their own I say :).
 

Resurgam

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I have been eating low carb foods for so long that I probably don't recognize many modern innovations as food - pizza for instance, but back in 1970 I mightily offended my mother in law when she tried to dish up bread and butter for breakfast, so I always have had lower carb expectations.
Soy bean spaghetti would not be on the menu as it has little nutrition, as well as its carbs, so even a small portion would have no attraction for me, I'd rather have unprocessed beans of some other sort - runner or French, rather than processed soy.
 

APainter

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Dear farlife05: I cannot relate directly to your BG readings as mine are in mmol/mol, and I never see readings as high as yours - my meter readings are closer to 8.6, 9.1 etc. But I do get the impression that you have had little or no information from your medical practice about what your basic aims are - mine, for example, are to keep my HbA1c figure to below 59mmol/mol - and I am expected to achieve that basically by controlling the amount of carbohydrate I eat. Strictly speaking, for me, this would mean NO cereals, NO starches, as I am insulin resistant. I agree with the advice of NewTD2 - the Diet Doctor pages are worth looking at for lists on what foods will raise your blood glucose a lot (for me, bread, pulses, root vegs), and which ones have low carbohydrate value (again, for me, that means greens and plants grown above the ground). A big disappointment for me is having to forego most fruit - although as the Diet Doctor points out, I can still have berries and a few other goodies. I also miss the convenience of a muesli or granola breakfast!
For years I have followed medical advice about my diet (low glycaemic index, low calorie, low fat, high fibre - whatever the flavour of the year is) and my diabetes has worsened. I have been on Metformin for several years, with all the usual diarrhoea problems ruining my social and home life, and decided to stop taking it a week ago. I have reduced my carbohydrates (yes, again, even lower than previously) and am now achieving better blood glucose levels than on Metformin. My diet is a bit tough, but I am staying in good control by increasing the number of blood gluclose tests I do per day. I am essentially following the advice of the Type2Testing programme - and if my numbers are good, I allow myself a small apple with some cheese (no crackers, of course!); or a small new potato with my roast dinner. But essentially I have to accept I just cannot allow myself the carbohydrates I used to be able to eat pre-diabetes.
Doctors and clinic nurses are so pushed for time that it is not a great surprise one gets so little useful information when one is first diagnosed with diabetes (or even with successive visits over the years); but I really don't feel you understand the full impact of your condition; and it is hugely important that you understand why you will have to reduce your carbohydrates - perhaps significantly reduce them.
I was given some sheets entitled "Food Portion Guide for Type 2 Diabetics" - I have been following it religiously for the past year, but it has made no difference, and when I visit my clinic, my clinic nurses don't believe I can possibly be following their programme - or of course my blood sugar would be getting lower, wouldn't it?
Do look at Diet Doctor, as NewTD2 suggests - they are the most useful pages I have come across to help you manage your diet - manage your condition. The whole palaver of evaluating every darned thing I eat at the moment is a pain - but I can already seen some positive results, and you will too, once you are more confident that you are doing and eating the right things.
All the luck in the world to you.
 
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Spotted_dog

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I've seen a few folks say they stick to foods that are less than a certain percentage of carbs, but surely the total carbs is more important than the percentage?
For example, I was checking the labels on a ready meal in a supermarket the other day and it was around 9g carbs per 100g. So going by your <10% rule it seems OK. However, the pack size was 400g so the total carbs were nearly 40g. For someone low-carbing that seems pretty high.
I don't buy any ready meals now, you don't really know what's in them, fresh fish or meat is much better..
 
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