Indication that low carb / keto may help against cancer too

[Jo_the_boat]

Here's an interesting article to add to our knowledge-base.

Not definitive of curse, but positive ideas for those of us who follow a low carb / fasting / healthy lifesyle regime

 

[bulkbiker]

Interesting article thanks for posting.

 

[Oldvatr]

It makes sense. Cancer involves cells in our bodies that have gone rogue on us. Our cells need glucose for energy, and this also includes most cancer cells too. so reducing glucose and the triggers that control its use will in effect starve the cancer cells. My son was advised to follow this diet plan when he suffered a growth that needed chemo. He is in remission now and gone vegetarian instead.

 

[Outlier]

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

However:

We don't know what most people died of in long times past. Possibly they didn't live long enough to develop anything much in the way of disease. Childbirth deaths and infant mortality must have cut swathes through populations, and are still common. Modern investigation of human remains from long ago also show signs of a number of diseases that may or may not have killed directly eg arthritis, but impacted on the ability to survive in environments where physical strength was compromised. Parasites were great killers, and in certain places still are.

And - if we study non-humans, they get cancers as well, even those creatures that live a natural life eating natural food and taking lots of exercise.

Not that I'm dismissing the study - everything helps us understand more. We do well to read and learn from this and similar investigations, but always with a critical eye.

 

[Aishia]

I think Dr Otto Werbeurg
won the 1931 Nobel Prize for cancer discovery.

He said No disease, including cancer can exist in an alkaline environment'.
Must read up about him again because I remember it was quite fascinating.

 

[Aishia]

As most vegetables are alkalising and glucose is acidic.Makes sense really.

 

[Aishia]

So if meat is acidic. Would a vegetarian diet be better. Don't understand enough really.

 

[Oldvatr]

As most vegetables are alkalising and glucose is acidic.Makes sense really.

There is no real evidence that proves this concept

Alkaline Diet Plan Review: Does It Work?

Alkaline Diet: Does changing your body’s pH levels through the alkaline diet have any benefits? Know more about the Alkaline Diet review to find out.

www.webmd.com

Considering that we are full of acid in the stomach, and absolutely essentially require fatty acids to exist, cutting down on intake will not actually do much, We synthesise what we need from all sources, so even vegans have high acid content.

The movement seems to be a means of justifying the clarion call to stop eating meat and dairy. This thread is discussing the role of carbs

I am surprised that cider vinegar (acetic acid ) is a major component of the so called alkaline diet. I would not call fruit high alkaline either.

The science behind this diet is based loosely on the fact that we as humans burn acetyl compounds as the main energy component in our muscles. we produce ketones when we burn fat. Ergo - acids are bad! because our blood is fuill of ketones and acetyl compounds. But acids also decompose to acetyls. We need acids to metabolise food.

What is a carb? To the medical/ biology fraternity it is a carbohydrate, but to a chemist it is a hydrocarbon. It is energy, in the same way petrol is a fuel. It oxidises to give CO2 and water. Technically fats and oils are also hydrocarbons, just bigger and not so easy to oxidise. Proteins are more complex hydrocarbons with embedded minerals. When we eat food, our bodies break down the carbs, regardless of what the source is, and we get glucose and proteins It is like a box of Lego to our body. we create what we need from the bits and basic elements from the soup that enters our digestive tract. Thats the real magic.

 

[jjraak]

There is no real evidence that proves this concept

Alkaline Diet Plan Review: Does It Work?

Alkaline Diet: Does changing your body’s pH levels through the alkaline diet have any benefits? Know more about the Alkaline Diet review to find out.

www.webmd.com

Considering that we are full of acid in the stomach, and absolutely essentially require fatty acids to exist, cutting down on intake will not actually do much, We synthesise what we need from all sources, so even vegans have high acid content.

The movement seems to be a means of justifying the clarion call to stop eating meat and dairy. This thread is discussing the role of carbs

I am surprised that cider vinegar (acetic acid ) is a major component of the so called alkaline diet. I would not call fruit high alkaline either.

The science behind this diet is based loosely on the fact that we as humans burn acetyl compounds as the main energy component in our muscles. we produce ketones when we burn fat. Ergo - acids are bad! because our blood is fuill of ketones and acetyl compounds. But acids also decompose to acetyls. We need acids to metabolise food.

What is a carb? To the medical/ biology fraternity it is a carbohydrate, but to a chemist it is a hydrocarbon. It is energy, in the same way petrol is a fuel. It oxidises to give CO2 and water. Technically fats and oils are also hydrocarbons, just bigger and not so easy to oxidise. Proteins are more complex hydrocarbons with embedded minerals. When we eat food, our bodies break down the carbs, regardless of what the source is, and we get glucose and proteins It is like a box of Lego to our body. we create what we need from the bits and basic elements from the soup that enters our digestive tract. Thats the real magic.

A fascinating reply.

Liking the analogy & Explanation.

Cheers

 

[Aishia]

It is all so interesting.
is cider apple vinegar the wrong thing to take then?I know that ordinary vinegar is not.
Cider apple vinegar maybe acidic but does it not turn to alkaline ash after digestion same as lemons.
Would be glad of your reply.Became a lot of d iabetic people take appl e cider vinegar to bring their B S
down.

 

[Oldvatr]

It is all so interesting.
is cider apple vinegar the wrong thing to take then?I know that ordinary vinegar is not.
Cider apple vinegar maybe acidic but does it not turn to alkaline ash after digestion same as lemons.
Would be glad of your reply.Became a lot of d iabetic people take appl e cider vinegar to bring their B S
down.

Vinegar is used by many, but it is acid, so will only for ash ahen neutralised. Since it passes into the stomach that is full of hydrochloric acid, it is in competition with the incumbent flux. what we burn for energy is almost acetic acid, (acetyl Coa) so vinegar is only a short cut to that stage. Nothing wrong in using it in moderation, but it is not alkaline, and still has acidity until stripped down to glucose and other acetyl compounds just like everything else. Ash is a misnomer. It is a hypothetical construct that is not physically manifested in the body. Ash implies a waste product left after oxidisation But with acids, there isn't any since acetic acid is what we burn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkaline_diet_(alternative_medicine).
Compared to the HCL in the stomach, it is small potatoes.

Edit to add: We secrete bicarbonate in the duodenum and Ileum to neutralise the acid in the stomach Thus HCL is neutralised to give CO2 and NACL and water. This akaline secretion will also neutralise acetic acid so it is no longer acidic, and becomes glucose. So the alkali diet is ash.

 

[Aishia]

Thanks for your reply anyway. It just can be so complicated sometimes.You read one thing
And next day somebody says exactly the opposite. And you just don't know what to
believe in the end.Thanks again.