Insulin Resistance VS lack of Insulin in T2

brightstation

Active Member
Messages
27
Hi

Apologies if this is an obvious/daft question as I have not been a member of this exclusive club for long.

I understand that T2 can be caused by two different scenarios, Insulin Resistance or lack of Insulin. Are we meant to know the underlying cause and is there a different approach to say eating, exercise, supplements etc. based on your individual underlying 'cause'?

I did say this may be a daft question :)
 

smidge

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,761
Type of diabetes
LADA
Treatment type
Insulin
Hey brightstation!

That is actually a very sensible question!

In my view, it is very important to know the underlying cause as it does matter to how I would choose to manage my diabetes. I guess you'll not be surprised to know the NHS disagrees!

Take the first scenario, Insulin Resistance: The body produces enough insulin but cannot use it properly, so the blood glucose rises and the body produces more insulin to try to bring it down but the blood glucose still rises so the body produces more insulin and on it goes. Therefore, not only will you have high blood glucose, but also high levels of insulin swimming about your blood. In this circumstance, you really wouldn't want to 'help' the body to produce more insulin or inject extra insulin - you need to help the body to use the insulin it is already producing. If you know this is what you are suffering from, you could cut the carbs to reduce the amount your struggling pancreas has to cope with, exercise to increase the ability of your body to use the insulin you produce properly and lose any excess weight you are carrying. This can be a very effective strategy to normalise blood glucose and insulin levels in a Type 2 who has insulin resistance, but strong pancreas function.

The second scenario, insufficient insulin production, is a very different kettle of fish: The body does not produce enough insulin, so the blood glucose starts to rise. Although you can do all of the above and it will probably help a bit, it won't necessarily be enough because you do not have enough insulin to keep the BG under control. You will therefore probably need an insulin-stimulating drug such as Gliclazide (there are pros and cons to this, but I won't go into that here) or insulin therapy i.e. injected insulin. There is little point in taking drugs to help the uptake of insulin (e.g. metformin) if there is insufficient insulin being produced. In Type 2, lack of insulin production is usually a problem when the BGs have been high so long before diagnosis that the pancreatic beta cells have been damaged.

In reality, most Type 2s at diagnosis have a combination of the two scenarios. They have some degree of insulin resistance that has caused the BGs to rise to a level that has damaged the pancreas and its ability to produce sufficient insulin is compromised. It depends where on this scale you are as to what is likely to be the most effective treatment. In the absence of real knowledge as to where you are on the scale, it is usually prudent to follow the strategy in scenario 1 while testing your BG before and 2 hours after meals to see how your body is reacting to the reduction in carbs and to different food. In this way, you can find a level of carb that works for you - and take an appropriate medication to help if necessary.

There is a test you can have to see how much insulin you are producing - the c-peptide test, but the NHS very rarely performs this unless they suspect you might have a form of Type 1 diabetes and are trying to differentiate this from a Type 2 diagnosis. They see the test as too expensive and believe that treatment wouldn't be any different regardless, so they believe it is pointless to find out.

Take care,
Smidge
 

Patch

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,981
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Insulin
For me, this is THE question! And one that I have never been given an answer to.
 

Daibell

Master
Messages
12,656
Type of diabetes
LADA
Treatment type
Insulin
Hi. Your question is very sensible. Research shows around 20% of those diagnosed as T2 are not overweight etc and hence are likely to be suffering from a deficient pancreas rather than insulin resistance. I am one of those 20% T2s. This lack of differentiation can be problematic as many GPs, such as mine, assume insulin resistance and treat it as such. Some of those 20% will be late onset T1s (LADA) and progress rapidly to needing insulin. The diet approach is the same for all of these i.e. low-carb and low-GI to keep blood sugar down but the meds may need to be different. Metformin is the best starter for insulin resistance but Gliclazide may be better to stimulate the pancreas where it is failing. As Smidge says there are tests to try to differentiate but many GPs don't bother or even understand. I had a c-peptide test done privately which shows I have very little insulin which is the opposite of someone who is an insulin resistant T2 and has an insulin overload.