Is Coconut Oil A 'poison'?

lucylocket61 · Aug 22, 2018

latest offering on the subject:

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2018/aug/22/coconut-oil-is-pure-poison-says-harvard-professor

edited to add that i am hoping for a discussion on the merits or not of the research......................like people have done in previous articles about carbs, for example.

bulkbiker · Aug 22, 2018

Works with the people that brought us the "low carb takes 4 years off your life" bull***.
Anti saturated fat but would rather you had veg oils I'm sure.
Try this one instead
https://idmprogram.com/the-shocking-origins-of-vegetable-oil-garbage/
@Tannith ?

lucylocket61 · Aug 22, 2018

bulkbiker said:
Works with the people that brought us the "low carb takes 4 years off your life" bull***.
Anti saturated fat but would rather you had veg oils I'm sure.
Try this one instead
https://idmprogram.com/the-shocking-origins-of-vegetable-oil-garbage/
@Tannith ?

You know its wrong, I know its wrong.

but i am hoping for a discussion on the merits or not of the research......................like people have done in previous articles about carbs, for example. I will edit my original post to reflect that.

britishpub · Aug 22, 2018

"Michels based her warning on the high proportion of saturated fat in coconut oil, which is known to raise levels of so-called LDL cholesterol, and so the risk of cardiovascular disease."

I think Dr Kendrick would disagree

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2018/...t-cannot-raise-cholesterol-levels-ldl-levels/

as would Peter Attia

https://peterattiamd.com/the-straight-dope-on-cholesterol-part-i/

bulkbiker · Aug 22, 2018

britishpub said:
"Michels based her warning on the high proportion of saturated fat in coconut oil, which is known to raise levels of so-called LDL cholesterol, and so the risk of cardiovascular disease."

I think Dr Kendrick would disagree

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2018/...t-cannot-raise-cholesterol-levels-ldl-levels/

as would Peter Attia

https://peterattiamd.com/the-straight-dope-on-cholesterol-part-i/

and anyone else with an enquiring mind...

bulkbiker · Aug 22, 2018

lucylocket61 said:
You know its wrong, I know its wrong.

but i am hoping for a discussion on the merits or not of the research......................like people have done in previous articles about carbs, for example. I will edit my original post to reflect that.

There's no research mentioned in the article though so a bit difficult to have a reasoned look at it.. not trying to be nasty.. I haven;t found a link to the original piece.. will have a look now.

britishpub · Aug 22, 2018

Personally I've only every bought Coconut Oil once, and then tossed it because I didn't like my fried eggs tasting of coconut, but each to his/her own.

bulkbiker · Aug 22, 2018

Seems to be based on a lecture she gave (in German) so there's no supporting evidence just her "opinion". Whereas the evidence seems to point the other way once we have all agreed that sat fat is not harmful...
I'm surprised she said this though as she works with the WFPB mob at Harvard so would have thought that they liked fruit oil.. obviously their dislike of sat fat overcomes all.

britishpub · Aug 22, 2018

bulkbiker said:
There's no research mentioned in the article

She's a Harvard Professor, so therefore the Gaundiad didn't feel it necessary to check any of the nonsense she spouted.

lucylocket61 · Aug 22, 2018

bulkbiker said:
There's no research mentioned in the article though so a bit difficult to have a reasoned look at it.. not trying to be nasty.. I haven;t found a link to the original piece.. will have a look now.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/CIR.0000000000000510

bulkbiker · Aug 22, 2018

britishpub said:
She's a Harvard Professor, so therefore the Gaundiad didn't feel it necessary to check any of the nonsense she spouted.

then again so are Walter Willet and Frank Hu...

bulkbiker · Aug 22, 2018

lucylocket61 said:
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/CIR.0000000000000510

Oh that one.. have no idea what their methodology was but the phrase.. "Prospective observational studies in many populations" rings warning bells for me..

LooperCat · Aug 22, 2018

Blimey, at this rate we won’t be allowed to die of ANYTHING

DavidGrahamJones · Aug 22, 2018

lucylocket61 said:
but i am hoping for a discussion on the merits or not of the research

“Because coconut oil increases LDL cholesterol, a cause of CVD, and has no known offsetting favourable effects, we advise against the use of coconut oil,” So, based on high cholesterol being a cause of CVD . . . . . . .

Without spending too much time looking into this, I've decided that the coconut oil that I've consumed in the last 5 years hasn't adversely affected my total cholesterol at all and as far as I'm aware the LDL/HDL/trigs are all OK. So, . . . . . .

The video is in German. Ich spreche kein Deutsch

Resurgam · Aug 22, 2018

The discussion I had with my practice nurse springs to mind.
She said -You should change your diet to include fewer saturated fats, to reduce your cholesterol. Your risk of stroke or heart disease is increased.
I said -So you believe that cholesterol in the blood is determined by what is eaten.
Her jaw actually dropped.
I did not question her further, nor ask what my blood pressure was and did she think that I ought to have one that is higher - in view of the risk of problems, but as I do say a lot these days - sheesh.

liarsdance · Aug 22, 2018

Coconut oil raises LDL? **** - and its such a great hair conditioner too...

NoCrbs4Me · Aug 22, 2018

According to this study on healthy Thailanders, coconut oil consumption significantly increased HDL and had no effect on total cholesterol, low-density lipoprotein cholesterol, and triglyceride levels. The authors concluded that the effect of coconut oil should be potentially beneficial for cardiovascular risk reduction:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5745680/

lindisfel · Aug 22, 2018

DavidGrahamJones said:
“Because coconut oil increases LDL cholesterol, a cause of CVD, and has no known offsetting favourable effects, we advise against the use of coconut oil,” So, based on high cholesterol being a cause of CVD . . . . . . .

Without spending too much time looking into this, I've decided that the coconut oil that I've consumed in the last 5 years hasn't adversely affected my total cholesterol at all and as far as I'm aware the LDL/HDL/trigs are all OK. So, . . . . . .

The video is in German. Ich spreche kein Deutsch

Actually if you look at the guy who started the cholesterol code web site, having a lot of saturated fat before a blood test puts one's LDL down!
So these assertions appear to be rubbish!
Lipoproteins are a sophisticated energy transport system which sugar and refined carbs disrupt and they vary in a much more dynamic way than one would imagine.

Even insects have a similar but less complex energy transport system.

Anyone would think that God and/or evolution made a mistake when cholesterol was designed!
D.

lindisfel · Aug 22, 2018

Yea, but if you read Kendrick carefully he doesn't believe diet has any effect on CVD!

britishpub said:
"Michels based her warning on the high proportion of saturated fat in coconut oil, which is known to raise levels of so-called LDL cholesterol, and so the risk of cardiovascular disease."

I think Dr Kendrick would disagree

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2018/...t-cannot-raise-cholesterol-levels-ldl-levels/

as would Peter Attia

https://peterattiamd.com/the-straight-dope-on-cholesterol-part-i/

Moggely · Aug 23, 2018

Mel dCP said:
Blimey, at this rate we won’t be allowed to die of ANYTHING

Oh @Mel dCP You are so optimist, wonderful sense of humor. Love reading your posts.

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