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Is it possible to have diabetes if no sugar is in urine

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Daisydora3

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Hi all I'm new and need some advice, my 3 year old has started showing all the signs of diabetes, weeing more she was dry at night now is very wet, drinking all the time it's as if she can not get enough in quick enough, dry mouth hungry and eating so much more but is losing weight tired teachers have said she has started falling asleep at pre-school waking up complaining that her feet and legs really hurt and itch but when I took her to the doctors urine test came back showing there was no sugar in it so that means she doesn't have diabetes and there is nothing more they can do am so worried about her she is not getting any better is there another way she can be tested?
 
Go back to the GP, that is ridiculous that they should just leave you hanging like that. What on earth is happening to Doctors, are they becoming quacks!!!!
Do you have a drop in centre? Phone the NHS advice line.
But do get another opinion, and don't worry about what they think of you.
 
Daisydora3 said:
Hi all I'm new and need some advice, my 3 year old has started showing all the signs of diabetes, weeing more she was dry at night now is very wet, drinking all the time it's as if she can not get enough in quick enough, dry mouth hungry and eating so much more but is losing weight tired teachers have said she has started falling asleep at pre-school waking up complaining that her feet and legs really hurt and itch but when I took her to the doctors urine test came back showing there was no sugar in it so that means she doesn't have diabetes and there is nothing more they can do am so worried about her she is not getting any better is there another way she can be tested?
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PLEASE do not ignore this - if your daughter is still tired, falling asleep, wetting the bed, drinking a lot, hungry, itching and sore feet and legs - GO OVER YOUR GPs head and TAKE HER TO HOSPITAL A & E and write a list of all those symptoms down on a list and give them to the doctor you see at A & E.

There HAS to be a reason for all those symptoms and just because one test hasn't shown anything up don't let it rest there.

If it were my child I would take her to the nearest A & E, forget GP, walk in centres and NHS direct. Better safe than sorry and you DO have your child's teachers to back you up so it's not as if you're being over anxious. They certainly wouldn't mention it to you if they weren't also very concerned.

Good luck. :thumbup:
 
To have glucose show up in the urine, you need to have a BG of about 10mmol/l, below that point it won't be excreted. A negative urine test demonstrates that glucose levels were not at the level to cause DKA and the consequent symptoms of diabetes.
At the time your GP tested your youngster they hadn't a glucose level that would cause concern.
Nevertheless, young children can change quickly and there are other things that can cause similar symptom. Obviously you must return to the doctor if you are still worried.

You could buy some ketone strips and check for ketones in their nappy,/urine. If these rise beyond moderate (there may be moderate levels if the child is not eating enough or keeping food down) then you would have an urgent cause to seek further advice.
That's what I advised a worried daughter to do with my grandson and fortunately he didn't have diabetes, just a worried Mum and an infection.
 
i had two urine tests done for diabetes they both were negative, then i had a glucose intolerance test done and the results wre that i was type 2 diabetic. i had the syptoms of diabetes for over a year before i was diagnosed, so if you are still worried go to a and e and ask them for their opinion. good luck hope you get a resolution soon .
 
Thank u all for replying to my post going to go and get my daughter checked at a&e, as forgot to put earlier and in reply to one post the local gp's have put my daughter on three different types of antibiotics for 'water infections' and she has got worse rather then better.
 
Daisydora3 said:
Thank u all for replying to my post going to go and get my daughter checked at a&e, as forgot to put earlier and in reply to one post the local gp's have put my daughter on three different types of antibiotics for 'water infections' and she has got worse rather then better.
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Good for you. Get going. And don't worry about wasting anyone's time or if you're 'wrong' or over-anxious.

It may be nothing or it may be something but at least you've tried all avenues. You're not wrong to take a child to A & E if your instinct says something is wrong. Best of luck!!! :)
 
Hi,

I tend to whaffle a bit so I'll tey and keep it brief: yes it is possible to have diabetes if there is no sugar in the urine but EXTREMELY unlikely in this age group.

Sugar only shows in the urine once it passe the "renal threshold" which varies between individuals but is usually around 10-12mmol/l. It is much more likely to have type 2 DM without a +ve urine glucose than type 1.

Type 1 (which at your daughters age is by far the most likely type to develop) is usually associated with an absolute insulin lack and doesn't mess about - blood sugars will be in the high 20's or even 30's and the chance of having undiagnosed type 1 and an absence of sugar in the urine is highly unlikely.

Having said that, I think further investigations would be sensible and I think a urine culture is the minimum requirement bith to confirm the urinary tract infection diagnosis and also as proven urinary tract infections in children are usually investigated further. It may also be prudent to do a blood test for glucose (as well as U&Es and calcium) especially if the urine culture is negative.. There are other types of diabetes that cause thirst and frequent urination (ie diabetes insipidus) as well as other medical conditions such as hypercalcaemia.
 
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