hi i just wanted to be the first to post on this thread to get it going i dont low carb and i find that if i have a meal with meat and potatoes and veg it really brings my bs down i am on metformin and am type two and i have lost over 3 stone
is there anyone out there
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Yes, I'm here!
I don't follow any diet at all now. I just eat what I want, when I want! :shock:
Despite being treated for diabetes I'm beginning to wonder if I actually am diabetic :?
Just recently I have started pushing the boundaries a bit to see what happens, and so far I haven't noticed much change in my readings. My "highs" & "lows" are minimal and because of this I am trying more "bad" foods to see what effect they have.
Maybe it's naughty, but IF my readings don't go berserk what's the harm :?:
My blood pressure and cholesterol are medicated, and so is my diabetes (Metformin), so I really cannot see the harm. :lol:
I don't follow any diet at all now. I just eat what I want, when I want! :shock:
Despite being treated for diabetes I'm beginning to wonder if I actually am diabetic :?
Just recently I have started pushing the boundaries a bit to see what happens, and so far I haven't noticed much change in my readings. My "highs" & "lows" are minimal and because of this I am trying more "bad" foods to see what effect they have.
Maybe it's naughty, but IF my readings don't go berserk what's the harm :?:
My blood pressure and cholesterol are medicated, and so is my diabetes (Metformin), so I really cannot see the harm. :lol:
I must confess that I don't low carb if possible.
Thanks to a very good friend who has had diabetes for nearly as many years as I've beeen alive ( sorry :lol: ) I have much more insight into diabetes and controlling Blood Sugar Levels.
I have found that if I don't eat carbs my BS goes through the roof and have in the past been frightened to eat just in case my sugars fo even higher.
Carbs give my insulin something to work on and stop my liver from dumping in huge amounts.
I've managed to get my hba1c from 19 to 12 thanks to being more understanding about how carbs and insulin work together. I'm fully aware that compared to most my hba1c is still far far too high, but when you take into account that I had Sugars constantly off the scale for 3 years, I'm quite happy where I am.
I for one will NOT become a Bernstien Baby, and I am really hoping that having this sub forum it will mean that I won't have the constant "Do you low carb" question whenever I post.
We're all different and I have found the low carb suggestions somewhat offensive as what works for one person will have a diametrically opposite effect in someone else.
Thanks to a very good friend who has had diabetes for nearly as many years as I've beeen alive ( sorry :lol: ) I have much more insight into diabetes and controlling Blood Sugar Levels.
I have found that if I don't eat carbs my BS goes through the roof and have in the past been frightened to eat just in case my sugars fo even higher.
Carbs give my insulin something to work on and stop my liver from dumping in huge amounts.
I've managed to get my hba1c from 19 to 12 thanks to being more understanding about how carbs and insulin work together. I'm fully aware that compared to most my hba1c is still far far too high, but when you take into account that I had Sugars constantly off the scale for 3 years, I'm quite happy where I am.
I for one will NOT become a Bernstien Baby, and I am really hoping that having this sub forum it will mean that I won't have the constant "Do you low carb" question whenever I post.
We're all different and I have found the low carb suggestions somewhat offensive as what works for one person will have a diametrically opposite effect in someone else.
Yes another one signing in...!
I know I am lucky in some respects in that I seem to have cracked the "blood sugar spiking after meals" nut, but this has only been after 4 years on a pump with several months recent use of CGM. I can start at 6mmol/l, eat a plate of pasta (yum!) and never see more than 7 mmol/l even hours later. Isn't it disappointing that the only place I can share this information is a little sub-compartment in the forum, where no "low-carber" would dare to venture. How ridiculous is that?
But part of my control problem is that my blood sugar can change VERY rapidly, sometimes without apparent warning, the other part being that I have no awareness without CGM of whether I am at 5 or 15. Grrr. :evil:
I am currently reading Bernstein and finding it reasonably interesting, but also conscious that I am just not that disciplined. Getting some handy tips though so it's not a complete waste of time!
I know I am lucky in some respects in that I seem to have cracked the "blood sugar spiking after meals" nut, but this has only been after 4 years on a pump with several months recent use of CGM. I can start at 6mmol/l, eat a plate of pasta (yum!) and never see more than 7 mmol/l even hours later. Isn't it disappointing that the only place I can share this information is a little sub-compartment in the forum, where no "low-carber" would dare to venture. How ridiculous is that?
But part of my control problem is that my blood sugar can change VERY rapidly, sometimes without apparent warning, the other part being that I have no awareness without CGM of whether I am at 5 or 15. Grrr. :evil:
I am currently reading Bernstein and finding it reasonably interesting, but also conscious that I am just not that disciplined. Getting some handy tips though so it's not a complete waste of time!
Here here!
I dont low carb! I love carby foods too much.
I dont think i'd enjoy life as much if i had to miss out on pasta, bread and potato's!
I do however eat plenty of veg, i love my veg. And meat too. so it's all in all it's a pretty balanced diet i think.
As a type 1, i work hard at experimenting with my ratio's and different foods so adjust and compensate for the carbs i eat so that i can enjoy them... and lately life on a pump has made it easier!
I dont low carb! I love carby foods too much.
I dont think i'd enjoy life as much if i had to miss out on pasta, bread and potato's!
I do however eat plenty of veg, i love my veg. And meat too. so it's all in all it's a pretty balanced diet i think.
As a type 1, i work hard at experimenting with my ratio's and different foods so adjust and compensate for the carbs i eat so that i can enjoy them... and lately life on a pump has made it easier!
personally there are enough foodsthat we cannot eat without limiting our food even more, surely a balanced diet makes more sense, and i find that it works for me i really like pasta is there any suggestions what you can add to pasta i usually add dolmio stir in sauce ,tasty but high in salt 20%rda seems low in sugar 5%rda any suggestions
I am also not a low-carber, but like many others I have found that I needed to reduce the carbs in my diet. As many others have reported, at diagnosis I was told I could be "diet controlled" and was given the standard eat plenty of starchy carbs advice. At first I couldn't understand why my BS levels continued to rise, so did a lot of studying and research and came to the rather obvious conclusion that more carb = more BS, less carb = less BS. Not exactly rocket science but certainly a revelation to me.
Once I became aware of the affects that carbs have on my blood sugar and cholesterol levels, not to mention mood and energy, I started experimenting and have arrived at what for me is an optimum diet of around 100-120g carbs per day. This allows me to maintain my BS at the high-end of the non-diabetic range, maintain cholesterol at just above 4, and doesn't leave me feeling deprived of anything. I know that I can allow myself an occasional treat without blowing all the good work out of the water. And after all, if you have that treat every day, it is no longer a treat but a staple part of your diet!
Although I was diagnosed 7 years ago, I suspect that I had slowly progressing type 2 diabetes for many years before that because I now feel fitter and have more energy and stamina than I had 20 years ago.
Once I became aware of the affects that carbs have on my blood sugar and cholesterol levels, not to mention mood and energy, I started experimenting and have arrived at what for me is an optimum diet of around 100-120g carbs per day. This allows me to maintain my BS at the high-end of the non-diabetic range, maintain cholesterol at just above 4, and doesn't leave me feeling deprived of anything. I know that I can allow myself an occasional treat without blowing all the good work out of the water. And after all, if you have that treat every day, it is no longer a treat but a staple part of your diet!
Although I was diagnosed 7 years ago, I suspect that I had slowly progressing type 2 diabetes for many years before that because I now feel fitter and have more energy and stamina than I had 20 years ago.
Hi mullaneder,
The salt content is rather high, but then it is in nearly all processed foods - this is why there is a big government campaign to get food manufacturers to reduce salt content. Have you tried the Dolmio "Lite" versions of their sauces? They are lower in carbs, sugar, fat and salt, and I can't say I have found much difference in taste to their regular sauces.
The salt content is rather high, but then it is in nearly all processed foods - this is why there is a big government campaign to get food manufacturers to reduce salt content. Have you tried the Dolmio "Lite" versions of their sauces? They are lower in carbs, sugar, fat and salt, and I can't say I have found much difference in taste to their regular sauces.
thanks dennis the light version of the stir in sauce has the same salt as the regular i will just have to keep on looking
Hey mullaneder
Following all the best chefs' advice of keeping it simple: finish off your cooked and drained pasta by adding a squirt of the best olive oil you can find, toss it around the pan a few times to coat the pasta then add some grated fresh parmesan, toss again and serve. OMG how good is that?
Also worth trying: make your own pesto sauce (stacks of recipes for this all over the web), combine with a little Greek yoghurt and add the mixture to the cooked and drained pasta, stir and serve. You can spice up pesto with a little chilli if you feel adventurous. That's quite nice too!
Following all the best chefs' advice of keeping it simple: finish off your cooked and drained pasta by adding a squirt of the best olive oil you can find, toss it around the pan a few times to coat the pasta then add some grated fresh parmesan, toss again and serve. OMG how good is that?
Also worth trying: make your own pesto sauce (stacks of recipes for this all over the web), combine with a little Greek yoghurt and add the mixture to the cooked and drained pasta, stir and serve. You can spice up pesto with a little chilli if you feel adventurous. That's quite nice too!
I tried low carb diet when i first came on the forum but i wasn't losing any weight and my BS was high so i gave it up,i'm still not down to the BS i want but it has gone down and now i find small portions of what you like and exercise is helping my BS and my weight come down.My Nan was a diabetic from when she 40 year and she followed the eat carbs hospital diet and she lived till 90yrs,if it was good for her its good for me, ,shan x
,shan x
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I don't low carb (nor do I high carb),. I always ate fairly 'healthily' but probably ate too much of everything. I am now far more conscious about what I eat so eat far more fruit, veg and 'wholegrains'. It was a shock when diagnosed to be told that I had some thickening of the arteries (though fortunately the blood flow was fine) . and do now seems to give me good contril. The artherosclerosis is nuch less than it was 4 years ago, so I'll continue doing what I do.
Being on this forum (and others) has forced me to read all sorts of 'evidence. Some people claim that Garry Taubes has disproved the fat/ cholesterol/heart disease I've read his book and many of the papers he cites ;along with others he doesn't. I'm not convinced, I'd rather accept his statement in a newspaper article
'When people challenge the establishment, 99.9 per cent of the time they are wrong. If I was writing about me, I'd begin from the assumption that I am both wrong and a quack.'
Being on this forum (and others) has forced me to read all sorts of 'evidence. Some people claim that Garry Taubes has disproved the fat/ cholesterol/heart disease I've read his book and many of the papers he cites ;along with others he doesn't. I'm not convinced, I'd rather accept his statement in a newspaper article
'When people challenge the establishment, 99.9 per cent of the time they are wrong. If I was writing about me, I'd begin from the assumption that I am both wrong and a quack.'
May I join the club? I've managed well by sticking to foods which are mostly low or medium on the glycaemic index, preparing most of my food at home from fresh ingredients and carefully examining the labels on any canned, bottled or otherwise pre-packaged foodstuffs.
Maybe I'm just lucky but, I don't seem to need to don a hair shirt and indulge in self-flagellation to stay healthy.
Maybe I'm just lucky but, I don't seem to need to don a hair shirt and indulge in self-flagellation to stay healthy.
Hello Everyone
I personally am a Type 2 who is morbidly obese and is taking Metformin twice daily and watching my food so to encourage weight loss.
I follow SLIMMING WORLD but the RED plan - this gives me measured amounts of carbs etc but unlimited other items - my nurse suggested I switch from the Green plan that I was following as maybe I'd have too many carbs - shame as I prefer GREEN days as used to love unlimited potatoes etc.
Am finding I am losing weight with following the RED plan but do find it expensive at times re. Meat purchases.
I am NOT consciously counting carbs/protein / cals or anything - basically I just follow the RED day plan on SLIMMING WORLD although I don't attend the group I visit a SW forum online to keep uptodate with any changes etc and buy the monthly magazine.
ANYONE ELSE FOLLOW SLIMMING WORLD?
Jill
I personally am a Type 2 who is morbidly obese and is taking Metformin twice daily and watching my food so to encourage weight loss.
I follow SLIMMING WORLD but the RED plan - this gives me measured amounts of carbs etc but unlimited other items - my nurse suggested I switch from the Green plan that I was following as maybe I'd have too many carbs - shame as I prefer GREEN days as used to love unlimited potatoes etc.
Am finding I am losing weight with following the RED plan but do find it expensive at times re. Meat purchases.
I am NOT consciously counting carbs/protein / cals or anything - basically I just follow the RED day plan on SLIMMING WORLD although I don't attend the group I visit a SW forum online to keep uptodate with any changes etc and buy the monthly magazine.
ANYONE ELSE FOLLOW SLIMMING WORLD?
Jill
I used to be huge, but have luckily lost 12 stone.
I didn't follow any particular diet, but ate what I had always eaten but in much smaller quantities.
I bought myself a much smaller plate, so even with less food the plate looks full and it fools me into thinking I'm eating more than I am.
Apart from that I started walking a lot more than I used to. To begin with I could only go a few yards but as I lost the weight I found I could walk further.
I can only suggest what worked for me, but I can't see the point in spending money on a "named diet" especially when you do it online.
I didn't follow any particular diet, but ate what I had always eaten but in much smaller quantities.
I bought myself a much smaller plate, so even with less food the plate looks full and it fools me into thinking I'm eating more than I am.
Apart from that I started walking a lot more than I used to. To begin with I could only go a few yards but as I lost the weight I found I could walk further.
I can only suggest what worked for me, but I can't see the point in spending money on a "named diet" especially when you do it online.
Hi I am hoping that someone can help me! I am being told to low carb by my diabetic nurse but at the same time being told that i must not low carb by my dietician for my colostomy.
Is there anyone who can help me discover a diet that will complement both of the conditions that I have.
I take Novomix 30 FlexPen 24units am and 16pm and my sugars are not dropping even on this they are creeping up
I have got to the point where I am not taking my insulin and my sugar levels are still up for example on 15/05/09 they were 17.9 before breakfast I had breakfast 2 hrs after taking BS and that was a ham sandwich and then I took it again before luch and it was 26.0.
Is there anyone who can help me discover a diet that will complement both of the conditions that I have.
I take Novomix 30 FlexPen 24units am and 16pm and my sugars are not dropping even on this they are creeping up
I have got to the point where I am not taking my insulin and my sugar levels are still up for example on 15/05/09 they were 17.9 before breakfast I had breakfast 2 hrs after taking BS and that was a ham sandwich and then I took it again before luch and it was 26.0.
Hi Philip.
Welcome.
This particular area is for those who do not use a low/reduced carb method of Diet control. (Diet alternatives)
There is also another section specifically for low carbers, purists and otherwise.
I suggest you take a look around both the sections and also the Diabetes Food forum for some ideas. You will obviously have to try and find a diet which will be acceptable for all your conditions not just the Diabetes. I seem to recall that there is someone else on here with similar problems. Hopefully they may answer you.
The best place to post a specific question later is in 'Ask the Experts' where we will try and help if we can.
Ken.
Welcome.
This particular area is for those who do not use a low/reduced carb method of Diet control. (Diet alternatives)
There is also another section specifically for low carbers, purists and otherwise.
I suggest you take a look around both the sections and also the Diabetes Food forum for some ideas. You will obviously have to try and find a diet which will be acceptable for all your conditions not just the Diabetes. I seem to recall that there is someone else on here with similar problems. Hopefully they may answer you.
The best place to post a specific question later is in 'Ask the Experts' where we will try and help if we can.
Ken.
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Philip, obviously you need to keep to a diet that is appropriate for your condition. For the moment perhaps it might be a good idea to get the insulin right for the diet.The type of insulin you are using is also very much better used with regular mealtimes so that the peak of the insulin matches your mealtimes. If your levels are creeping up then talk to your nurse/gp about how to adjust your insulin for your diet. Go back to the dietitian and ask for specific advice From what I read a low gi diet isn't appropriate for you either so I really think that you need specialist input.
What you musn't do is stop taking your insulin 26mmol before a meal is far too high and it will probably rise higher without insulin
If your levels are still high tomorrow or in the mean time if you feel ill , then you should contact your doctor (or NHS direct)
