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Is Type-1 Reversible ?
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ElyDave
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what's wrong with GM?Kind of makes it difficult to be a diabetic and be against GM, and more or less impossible to be a diabetic, a vegetarian, and against GM.
Have you read The Origin of Species, clearly the Victorians were playing around at GM before it was even thought of.
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Well if Greensmoothiegirl says you can reverse type 1, then it must be true
I think things have moved on for Young since the video with Greensmoothie girl.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org...-young-finally-arrested-but-will-it-stop-him/
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I wasn't saying I was against GM. But I am.
This view that GM is the same as selective breeding is put about by the GM lobby (I read an article repeating the view only yesterday) but it's quite false and very disingenuous. I would feel more trusting of GM companies if they came out and said, "it's a paradigm shift with no precedent, but it's safe". The fact they feel the need to lie and deceive by pretending it's some incremental version of selective breeding makes me more alarmed about GM than I otherwise would be.
Yes I am a beneficiary of GM, but I am a skeptic about how its safety is being managed.
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kyrani99
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Meditation will not cure disease BUT an experienced mediator who meditates for extended periods of time and who is capable of reaching deep levels of meditation can facilitate the body in it’s own healing processes. Healing is heightened in a rest state, ie not stressed. In meditation much deeper levels of rest of the body can be achieved and that greatly aids the healing processes but it is not the meditation itself that heals, it is the body that heals itself.
In addition there are types of meditation that can be used to bring about changes in the body but these are not in the reach of 99.99% of the population.
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Hi Spiker, you agree with my post above.. good.
Please read my next post with an open mind.
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This thread asks “Is type 1 reversible?” So far I have only seen committed negatives and it is understandable because there are probably no known cases of reversal of type 1 diabetes and the doctors don’t believe it is reversible. And definitely one stays on their meds until one sees positive signs, ie medical tests that show that the beta cells are producing insulin again. But if the person has had their pancreas surgically removed of course they are not going to get well from type 1 diabetes.
You have shown videos, which do not really tackle the problem and some are very dubious. However is anyone really interested in investigating the idea of type 1 being reversible?
Type 1 is essentially an autoimmune disease, where the immune system attacks and kills beta cells in the pancreas. Conventional medicine sees that as a machine malfunction, thus a hopeless situation. However is the body just a machine? I found that my body is not a machine. I have found that my physiology is “purpose-driven”. This concept is rejected by doctors. I found that ideas, especially ideas that I have held both consciously and with confidence in mind, had caused my body to react so as to become diseased. AND I have found that in dismissing those ideas my bodily reactivity changes and health is restored. I am a human being, in this incarnation at least, so my body should be working like other human beings. Is anyone here willing to investigate the matter thoroughly?
Are you willing to ask “what ideas would cause a type 1 diabetes sufferer’s immune system to attack their healthy beta cells?” If that could be discovered then the type 1 diabetic has hope for health. I might be able to help but I cannot promise anything. I would very much like to help if anyone here wants to take the subject up seriously. You might be able to benefit from my experience with diseases… maybe???
You have shown videos, which do not really tackle the problem and some are very dubious. However is anyone really interested in investigating the idea of type 1 being reversible?
Type 1 is essentially an autoimmune disease, where the immune system attacks and kills beta cells in the pancreas. Conventional medicine sees that as a machine malfunction, thus a hopeless situation. However is the body just a machine? I found that my body is not a machine. I have found that my physiology is “purpose-driven”. This concept is rejected by doctors. I found that ideas, especially ideas that I have held both consciously and with confidence in mind, had caused my body to react so as to become diseased. AND I have found that in dismissing those ideas my bodily reactivity changes and health is restored. I am a human being, in this incarnation at least, so my body should be working like other human beings. Is anyone here willing to investigate the matter thoroughly?
Are you willing to ask “what ideas would cause a type 1 diabetes sufferer’s immune system to attack their healthy beta cells?” If that could be discovered then the type 1 diabetic has hope for health. I might be able to help but I cannot promise anything. I would very much like to help if anyone here wants to take the subject up seriously. You might be able to benefit from my experience with diseases… maybe???
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Hello, after reading your post I just wanted to say that my body attacked it's self after the shock of my husband leaving. Firstly I became ill with suspected Colitis and months later, the classic symptoms of Type 1 ( even though I didn't know it at the time) The upset, heartbreak and the devastation of a shock can and does set off so many health conditions on the body. Can type 1 be reversed ? maybe one day in the distant future, but I would guess more on the recently diagnosed. I would love to be able live long enough to see a genuine 'miracle' like that. Hope can be a wonderful word. With best wishes
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Well OK - just as a thought experiment now - let's think about this. What would be involved in reversing T1D? You need to be able to do some or all of the following things.
Now we don't even really understand point 1. We know some of the mechanisms (autoimmune response) but we don't know the causes, we don't know what triggers the autoimmune response. So speculation is valid here - no one knows for sure. There is a school of thought that we may get infected by a virus that has a structure that resembles pancreatic cells, so in fighting it off, the body begins to attack the pancreatic cells, and (as is the nature of immune response) this never stops until the 'enemy' cells are all dead. Some groups claim to have found the virus or a virus that may be responsible for all or some of these reactions. There is another school of thought that if the pancreatic cells excrete large amounts of insulin for a long time, it triggers a genetic remnant of when insulin was a chemical weapon used by hostile cells to attack us, and the immune system attacks the source of the insulin.
If we don't know the cause then how are we going to block the mechanism from recurring? In fact even if we knew exactly what triggered the autoimmune reaction, we have no idea how to reverse an autoimmune reaction in the body once it starts. We have no idea. The only thing we can do is suppress the entire immune system to the point when it is barely functional, like what happens with islet transplants and pancreas transplants. This is inflicting lifelong immunodeficiency on the patient, so that is a mixed blessing at best. And even immune suppression is not perfect, the autoimmune effect is weakened rather than eliminated.
We know of no way to regenerate dead cells or make new ones. We have some evidence that pancreatic cells might regenerate and resume function by themselves if the autoimmune stress was removed. Maybe we could find ways to encourage that process.
So even if we find the cause, there is no reason to assume that the cause is reversible. We are incredibly lucky that the work of Prof Taylor on T2D shows a causation that is reversible, at least in the first few years. That was a lucky break. Many, if not most, disease causes are not reversible. It would be naive to hope that just because we found the cause of T1D, that would allow us to reverse it. There would likely be many more hurdles ahead.
A much more realistic goal is to look to prevent T1D rather than reverse it. A lot of this work takes the virus hypothesis as a starting point, and then tries to find a vaccine for the virus. There are a lot of problems with doing this. I happen to know about this because I got involved with a T1D vaccine project (one of many). The most basic problem is we do not know how or why vaccines work. This may really surprise you, but it's true. Vaccines make a kind of common sense to us because we are used to them. But actually vaccines are made by rote, by trial and error, by rules of thumb, using techniques that seem to work sometimes, but we don't understand why. We don't really understand in full how the specific immune system works, and even less do we understand how vaccines work. That's not to say we couldn't create a T1D vaccine, it's just pointing out that it's not easy to do even if we identify the responsible virus. Apart from anything else, this is almost the reverse problem we have when normally creating a vaccine. With a vaccine you normally want an immune response to develop early, before the target virus enters the body. In this case you want something that will inhibit an immune response, forever. We don't even know how to do that in principle. And if we manage to do it, if we suppress the immune response that mistakenly targets pancreatic cells, won't that leave us defenceless to the trigger virus? So in place of every future T1 diabetic, there might just be someone who died of a virus that they could have easily resisted if not for the T1D vaccine blocking their resistance to it. Just to illustrate the complexities of this.
So to summarise - we don't know the cause of the autoimmune reaction, and if we do find it, we don't know if stopping that cause will reverse the condition (cure), or just prevent the condition (vaccine); and if it does cure the cause, will it prevent recurrence; and how will we repair the damage that was done while the disease was active?
- Identify the cause(s) and mechanism(s) by which T1D occurs
- Be able to block those causes and mechanisms and/or make sure they don't recur
- Reverse the damage caused to pancreatic cells, by regrowing new or existing cells, or restoring their capabilities somehow
- Stop or block or turn off the autoimmune response that is running in the body
Now we don't even really understand point 1. We know some of the mechanisms (autoimmune response) but we don't know the causes, we don't know what triggers the autoimmune response. So speculation is valid here - no one knows for sure. There is a school of thought that we may get infected by a virus that has a structure that resembles pancreatic cells, so in fighting it off, the body begins to attack the pancreatic cells, and (as is the nature of immune response) this never stops until the 'enemy' cells are all dead. Some groups claim to have found the virus or a virus that may be responsible for all or some of these reactions. There is another school of thought that if the pancreatic cells excrete large amounts of insulin for a long time, it triggers a genetic remnant of when insulin was a chemical weapon used by hostile cells to attack us, and the immune system attacks the source of the insulin.
If we don't know the cause then how are we going to block the mechanism from recurring? In fact even if we knew exactly what triggered the autoimmune reaction, we have no idea how to reverse an autoimmune reaction in the body once it starts. We have no idea. The only thing we can do is suppress the entire immune system to the point when it is barely functional, like what happens with islet transplants and pancreas transplants. This is inflicting lifelong immunodeficiency on the patient, so that is a mixed blessing at best. And even immune suppression is not perfect, the autoimmune effect is weakened rather than eliminated.
We know of no way to regenerate dead cells or make new ones. We have some evidence that pancreatic cells might regenerate and resume function by themselves if the autoimmune stress was removed. Maybe we could find ways to encourage that process.
So even if we find the cause, there is no reason to assume that the cause is reversible. We are incredibly lucky that the work of Prof Taylor on T2D shows a causation that is reversible, at least in the first few years. That was a lucky break. Many, if not most, disease causes are not reversible. It would be naive to hope that just because we found the cause of T1D, that would allow us to reverse it. There would likely be many more hurdles ahead.
A much more realistic goal is to look to prevent T1D rather than reverse it. A lot of this work takes the virus hypothesis as a starting point, and then tries to find a vaccine for the virus. There are a lot of problems with doing this. I happen to know about this because I got involved with a T1D vaccine project (one of many). The most basic problem is we do not know how or why vaccines work. This may really surprise you, but it's true. Vaccines make a kind of common sense to us because we are used to them. But actually vaccines are made by rote, by trial and error, by rules of thumb, using techniques that seem to work sometimes, but we don't understand why. We don't really understand in full how the specific immune system works, and even less do we understand how vaccines work. That's not to say we couldn't create a T1D vaccine, it's just pointing out that it's not easy to do even if we identify the responsible virus. Apart from anything else, this is almost the reverse problem we have when normally creating a vaccine. With a vaccine you normally want an immune response to develop early, before the target virus enters the body. In this case you want something that will inhibit an immune response, forever. We don't even know how to do that in principle. And if we manage to do it, if we suppress the immune response that mistakenly targets pancreatic cells, won't that leave us defenceless to the trigger virus? So in place of every future T1 diabetic, there might just be someone who died of a virus that they could have easily resisted if not for the T1D vaccine blocking their resistance to it. Just to illustrate the complexities of this.
So to summarise - we don't know the cause of the autoimmune reaction, and if we do find it, we don't know if stopping that cause will reverse the condition (cure), or just prevent the condition (vaccine); and if it does cure the cause, will it prevent recurrence; and how will we repair the damage that was done while the disease was active?
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kyrani99
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OK Spiker you have shown me some encouraging points.
You have set out four good points. Let me give you my suggestions of what we are looking to try and do.
As far as the mechanism goes we will look at the physiological changes but we only need to know them in general. The body does the job, both of bringing about harmful conditions and in healing those harmful conditions again. The wisdom of the body doesn’t need to be known in detail. We don’t need to know the mechanism exactly.
My experience provides some more evidence as well so I now share this with you. I found that my body reversed the cancer cells back to normal cells and my immune system removed the excesses, ie the tumor. This is essentially the remission of cancer by the body. I have even been able to enable my body to retain the newer cells (that were converted back from being cancer -these are really stem cells after all) and remove the older cells that were healthy to begin with. So I have not only beaten the cancer every time, I have used the occasion to regenerate my bowel, ovaries, oesophagus, pancreas, liver, bones in my elbow and ankles, skin and both lungs.
Let’s try, see what can be done. You may succeed to get your health back. If it can’t be done then at least you have tried your best. You got to be in the race to win it!
The challenge here is for me to help you understand how a cheat is done because that is step number one. IF this is due to a cheat, and we don’t know that yet, then you need to understand how you may be caused to react somatically to what is nothing more than a suggestion, i.e., some related but hateful person’s idea. When a person sees the cheat they can reject an idea and laugh. If they don’t see the cheat and think the idea is their own, then they may react to the ideas. Even if a person doesn’t know if the idea is real or not they are still disadvantaged if they think the idea is their own. An idea that we put forth carries our authority. An idea that is just a perception is just a phantom. This is the big difference. If you think the idea is your own you are destined to wrestle with it and keep asking why am I thinking this? If you realize the idea is just a perception and just a suggestion, then you can dismiss that idea easily.
I have been able to appreciate, in deep meditation that the body “follow suit” in a sense depending on what is upheld in mind. I have seen on many, many occasions how my metabolism slowed down in deep meditation to such an extent that I found myself, on some of those early occasions, waiting for my next heart beat! I have also used meditation to examine what happens in my body when I had upheld certain ideas and then when I dismissed them. Ideas make a huge difference.
So in the next post, immediately following this, I describe an experiment I suggest to you to do and do it scientifically.
- that you are open minded enough and willing to investigate.
- that you do think about others and are empathetic. You don’t just voice finding a preventative measure, you have placed yourself in trials, at risk, to find a vaccine even though it is of no value to you as you already have type 1 diabetes. This shows you are empathetic and only the empathetic is able to take control of their own lives and resolve all issues that may affect their health.
You have set out four good points. Let me give you my suggestions of what we are looking to try and do.
- Identify the cause(s) and mechanism(s) by which T1D occurs.
As far as the mechanism goes we will look at the physiological changes but we only need to know them in general. The body does the job, both of bringing about harmful conditions and in healing those harmful conditions again. The wisdom of the body doesn’t need to be known in detail. We don’t need to know the mechanism exactly.
- Be able to block those causes and mechanisms and/or make sure they don't recur.
- Reverse the damage caused to pancreatic cells, by regrowing new or existing cells, or restoring their capabilities somehow
My experience provides some more evidence as well so I now share this with you. I found that my body reversed the cancer cells back to normal cells and my immune system removed the excesses, ie the tumor. This is essentially the remission of cancer by the body. I have even been able to enable my body to retain the newer cells (that were converted back from being cancer -these are really stem cells after all) and remove the older cells that were healthy to begin with. So I have not only beaten the cancer every time, I have used the occasion to regenerate my bowel, ovaries, oesophagus, pancreas, liver, bones in my elbow and ankles, skin and both lungs.
Let’s try, see what can be done. You may succeed to get your health back. If it can’t be done then at least you have tried your best. You got to be in the race to win it!
- Stop or block or turn off the autoimmune response that is running in the body.
The challenge here is for me to help you understand how a cheat is done because that is step number one. IF this is due to a cheat, and we don’t know that yet, then you need to understand how you may be caused to react somatically to what is nothing more than a suggestion, i.e., some related but hateful person’s idea. When a person sees the cheat they can reject an idea and laugh. If they don’t see the cheat and think the idea is their own, then they may react to the ideas. Even if a person doesn’t know if the idea is real or not they are still disadvantaged if they think the idea is their own. An idea that we put forth carries our authority. An idea that is just a perception is just a phantom. This is the big difference. If you think the idea is your own you are destined to wrestle with it and keep asking why am I thinking this? If you realize the idea is just a perception and just a suggestion, then you can dismiss that idea easily.
I have been able to appreciate, in deep meditation that the body “follow suit” in a sense depending on what is upheld in mind. I have seen on many, many occasions how my metabolism slowed down in deep meditation to such an extent that I found myself, on some of those early occasions, waiting for my next heart beat! I have also used meditation to examine what happens in my body when I had upheld certain ideas and then when I dismissed them. Ideas make a huge difference.
So in the next post, immediately following this, I describe an experiment I suggest to you to do and do it scientifically.
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A scientific experiment.
In the first instance you need to appreciate that where there is relationship, there is mental entanglement. And with mental entanglement there is what I call direct mental perception or what scientists in the field of parapsychology call psi and ESP. This means that an idea presented by one person mentally, can be perceived mentally by another. I will suggest two different experiments to do. In the first one use a stranger as your subject and keep them ignorant of your experiment. This will help eliminate the possibility of someone else trying to deceive you. In the second experiment the subject can be anyone and it is a very simple procedure but again keep them ignorant of your experiment.
In the first experiment I suggest you use a psychic for your stranger subject. This is not about “going to a psychic”, this is about using a psychic to do an experiment. But for all they know, you’re a genuine customer. I know it will cost some money but it will be worth it to you. You will need to see them twice. Both must be “cold calls”. Call them each time without telling them you are going to see them again a week later or that you are going to another one later. Tell them nothing. Make the visit short so it doesn’t cost you much money. Even ten minutes is enough.
The first time is the control experiment.
We want to see what happen when you do not deliberately present ideas.
I have found that most of the “mind reading” these people do is done by abusing the relationship and it can even be done over the phone. You are still relating even if you haven’t met the person and you talk to them over the phone. That is not to say there are no genuine psychics. There are, but I found most of them are phoney. They use the same psychic powers that everyone in the world has and they use it against the client.
So what “mind reading” do they do? They first, and cunningly, present you with ideas such as “dead….?? Relative… ah???” When you don’t know this, you perceive the idea but think it is your own thinking. So naturally a name of a dead relative or friend will come to your mind. This triggers your memory. You begin to think of your dead relative or friend or whoever it is and you begin to recall some thing about them. While your memory is working they going on with “oh.. oh.. yes I.. I.. I.. see your grandmother standing next to you.. she is saying… just a minute.. let me connect with her..”, meanwhile you’re thinking. Then, for the reading, cards or whatever it is, they tell you your thoughts! Easy. $50 thank you very much!
So what has happened? You have perceived the thoughts they presented to you. And they perceive the thoughts that you unwittingly presenting back. This comes about because of the mental entanglement in relationship. You want to try to avoid this. Your aim is to keep a blank mind but even if you fail (and remember these people are well trained), it is not important in the experiment. It will still serve as a control. But if you want to give yourself a practice run and still use it as a control experiment, you could do two controls. You could do one in which you just be yourself and let them fish you for information and then a second one, where you are more experienced and can maintain a blank mind. Be kind to yourself, a blank mind is not an easy task.
Next you do the actual experiment.
You get another appointment. It can be the same psychic or another. You go there as a genuine customer again but this time well rehearsed. After the control experiment(s) you dream up a fake problem and a fake dead relative. Or you can use a real dead relative and some phoney info about them and a fake problem. Start out with a real problem and a real dead relative and write down a composition to yourself about the problem and the dead relative. Just write down what comes into your mind. Automatic writing. Examine your thoughts in the written form and use them as a formulation for the fakes.
When you go to the psychic or talk to them on the phone you can sound worried if you want or composed, it doesn’t matter; Most people, who go to a psychic, go for some reason, looking for some answers, so looking worried won’t sound off any alarm bells. HOWEVER the alarm bell that you have to avoid is giving them information that you’re cheating. So you don’t have any ideas of “I have….”, or anything conversational ideas. If you’ve done your homework you’ll be fine. You got to sell them on what they know how to do with charm.. cheat. If you have rehearsed well enough you will be okay. And I will also caution you that you DO NOT give any information to anyone else about the fake problem and fake or real dead relative etc. Be scientific. Be confidential.
So while relating to the psychic you deliberately give information MENTALLY ONLY. Then you will see what they have to say and be astonished. In science there is no proof. Only in mathematics do we talk of proofs. In science we only talk of evidence. So you will have evidence that another person can perceive what you present to them mentally. Same goes for you. You can perceive what they present to you mentally. Everyone has psychic abilities. The only difference between you and a psychic is that they have trained themselves enough to make money from their craft.
Once you appreciate that direct mental perception is possible with a stranger with whom you are relating, you will appreciate that with people who are closely related, and who therefore have strong mental entanglements, mental perception happens all the time. Some of it is coincidental. Some of it deliberate. Then you will be ready for the next step.
A footnote. There is, what we call in science, observer bias. This is one reason why scientists double blind experiments. Double blinding however causes more problems than it solves and for many reasons it is not a good technique to be used universally for everything. You really only need to be aware that many people, not all, may try and read into their results things that are not really there. However I don’t think this will be a problem for you because you have a specific set of data, the fake problem and the fake or real dead relative and you are looking to see how well your stranger psychic subject “read you”. That is how well they can convey back to you verbally what you are presenting to them mentally. I recall once, I went to a lady that I knew in Sydney and many times she was vague. Then one day I went there preoccupied and worried about something at work and she basically told me everything I was thinking. That is when I got suspicious. It can be coincidental. She may not be doing it deliberately but I am sure that many abuse this very capability.
I await your report.
Kyrani.
In the first instance you need to appreciate that where there is relationship, there is mental entanglement. And with mental entanglement there is what I call direct mental perception or what scientists in the field of parapsychology call psi and ESP. This means that an idea presented by one person mentally, can be perceived mentally by another. I will suggest two different experiments to do. In the first one use a stranger as your subject and keep them ignorant of your experiment. This will help eliminate the possibility of someone else trying to deceive you. In the second experiment the subject can be anyone and it is a very simple procedure but again keep them ignorant of your experiment.
In the first experiment I suggest you use a psychic for your stranger subject. This is not about “going to a psychic”, this is about using a psychic to do an experiment. But for all they know, you’re a genuine customer. I know it will cost some money but it will be worth it to you. You will need to see them twice. Both must be “cold calls”. Call them each time without telling them you are going to see them again a week later or that you are going to another one later. Tell them nothing. Make the visit short so it doesn’t cost you much money. Even ten minutes is enough.
The first time is the control experiment.
We want to see what happen when you do not deliberately present ideas.
I have found that most of the “mind reading” these people do is done by abusing the relationship and it can even be done over the phone. You are still relating even if you haven’t met the person and you talk to them over the phone. That is not to say there are no genuine psychics. There are, but I found most of them are phoney. They use the same psychic powers that everyone in the world has and they use it against the client.
So what “mind reading” do they do? They first, and cunningly, present you with ideas such as “dead….?? Relative… ah???” When you don’t know this, you perceive the idea but think it is your own thinking. So naturally a name of a dead relative or friend will come to your mind. This triggers your memory. You begin to think of your dead relative or friend or whoever it is and you begin to recall some thing about them. While your memory is working they going on with “oh.. oh.. yes I.. I.. I.. see your grandmother standing next to you.. she is saying… just a minute.. let me connect with her..”, meanwhile you’re thinking. Then, for the reading, cards or whatever it is, they tell you your thoughts! Easy. $50 thank you very much!
So what has happened? You have perceived the thoughts they presented to you. And they perceive the thoughts that you unwittingly presenting back. This comes about because of the mental entanglement in relationship. You want to try to avoid this. Your aim is to keep a blank mind but even if you fail (and remember these people are well trained), it is not important in the experiment. It will still serve as a control. But if you want to give yourself a practice run and still use it as a control experiment, you could do two controls. You could do one in which you just be yourself and let them fish you for information and then a second one, where you are more experienced and can maintain a blank mind. Be kind to yourself, a blank mind is not an easy task.
Next you do the actual experiment.
You get another appointment. It can be the same psychic or another. You go there as a genuine customer again but this time well rehearsed. After the control experiment(s) you dream up a fake problem and a fake dead relative. Or you can use a real dead relative and some phoney info about them and a fake problem. Start out with a real problem and a real dead relative and write down a composition to yourself about the problem and the dead relative. Just write down what comes into your mind. Automatic writing. Examine your thoughts in the written form and use them as a formulation for the fakes.
When you go to the psychic or talk to them on the phone you can sound worried if you want or composed, it doesn’t matter; Most people, who go to a psychic, go for some reason, looking for some answers, so looking worried won’t sound off any alarm bells. HOWEVER the alarm bell that you have to avoid is giving them information that you’re cheating. So you don’t have any ideas of “I have….”, or anything conversational ideas. If you’ve done your homework you’ll be fine. You got to sell them on what they know how to do with charm.. cheat. If you have rehearsed well enough you will be okay. And I will also caution you that you DO NOT give any information to anyone else about the fake problem and fake or real dead relative etc. Be scientific. Be confidential.
So while relating to the psychic you deliberately give information MENTALLY ONLY. Then you will see what they have to say and be astonished. In science there is no proof. Only in mathematics do we talk of proofs. In science we only talk of evidence. So you will have evidence that another person can perceive what you present to them mentally. Same goes for you. You can perceive what they present to you mentally. Everyone has psychic abilities. The only difference between you and a psychic is that they have trained themselves enough to make money from their craft.
Once you appreciate that direct mental perception is possible with a stranger with whom you are relating, you will appreciate that with people who are closely related, and who therefore have strong mental entanglements, mental perception happens all the time. Some of it is coincidental. Some of it deliberate. Then you will be ready for the next step.
A footnote. There is, what we call in science, observer bias. This is one reason why scientists double blind experiments. Double blinding however causes more problems than it solves and for many reasons it is not a good technique to be used universally for everything. You really only need to be aware that many people, not all, may try and read into their results things that are not really there. However I don’t think this will be a problem for you because you have a specific set of data, the fake problem and the fake or real dead relative and you are looking to see how well your stranger psychic subject “read you”. That is how well they can convey back to you verbally what you are presenting to them mentally. I recall once, I went to a lady that I knew in Sydney and many times she was vague. Then one day I went there preoccupied and worried about something at work and she basically told me everything I was thinking. That is when I got suspicious. It can be coincidental. She may not be doing it deliberately but I am sure that many abuse this very capability.
I await your report.
Kyrani.
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What about the babies, the children diagnosed with Type 1 ?
. As I said, Hope is a good word and maybe, just maybe, one day with the advancement in scientific medicine, there may be away to reverse it. But I doubt it will be in my lifetime. .But HOPE for my granchild and all the other Type 1's in the world and those who so desperately cling on to that little four letter word, HOPE.
. As I said, Hope is a good word and maybe, just maybe, one day with the advancement in scientific medicine, there may be away to reverse it. But I doubt it will be in my lifetime. .But HOPE for my granchild and all the other Type 1's in the world and those who so desperately cling on to that little four letter word, HOPE
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kyrani99
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The second experiment.
This experiment is not so scientific but it can give you valuable information, especially about toxic people.
This time you choose a subject from those you relate to or converse with. If they are a stranger, they will be trivially related to you, and if you are a close friend or relative, they are strongly related to you. You may get a different result in each case, but you may not. I suggest you do two experiments and use both, first one do with a stranger you’ve just met and the second one with someone you know well.
This experiment is not so scientific and probably a bit unfair in that the other person is in the dark and not a willing participant. But you are not going to exploit them so it is not unethical. However you need them to be blinded so you don’t want them knowing that you are testing them. This is effectively a single blinded trial. because I can’t see how to do a blank in this one but anyway you only want to see a result as a back up for the first experiment.
In the experiment you engage the person in conversation and in the course of the conversation ask for their opinion about something. As soon as they give you their opinion just look at them in the eyes, calmly and give no hint away and mentally address them and say “that bullsh*t”. You will see their expression drop. I’ve even had people respond with “what?” And I replied “I didn’t say anything”. They are left stumped. Then further down the conversation again ask them what they think about something. This time, looking neutral at them again, say “that’s brilliant”. You will find their facial expression lifts and they may even smile.
This experiment is not as good as the first one because you are only getting a facial response. However it does show that the other person did perceive what you said to them mentally because the facial responses will be appropriate. Except of course if they did say something they thought was bullsh*t then they might laugh. If you think they are able to appreciate your experiment you may be able to confide in them and look to get one presenting a simple idea and the other writing it down.
When I did this experiment a long time ago, I found that a small number of people immediately looked at me suspiciously. I made a note of them and I found out later, in some cases years later, that they were all toxic. I have also had occasion to see that toxic people use this technique to determine whether another person, especially one that they have just met, right of the bat, before any relationship has developed, is “one of them”, i.e., toxic or not.
Kyrani.
This experiment is not so scientific but it can give you valuable information, especially about toxic people.
This time you choose a subject from those you relate to or converse with. If they are a stranger, they will be trivially related to you, and if you are a close friend or relative, they are strongly related to you. You may get a different result in each case, but you may not. I suggest you do two experiments and use both, first one do with a stranger you’ve just met and the second one with someone you know well.
This experiment is not so scientific and probably a bit unfair in that the other person is in the dark and not a willing participant. But you are not going to exploit them so it is not unethical. However you need them to be blinded so you don’t want them knowing that you are testing them. This is effectively a single blinded trial. because I can’t see how to do a blank in this one but anyway you only want to see a result as a back up for the first experiment.
In the experiment you engage the person in conversation and in the course of the conversation ask for their opinion about something. As soon as they give you their opinion just look at them in the eyes, calmly and give no hint away and mentally address them and say “that bullsh*t”. You will see their expression drop. I’ve even had people respond with “what?” And I replied “I didn’t say anything”. They are left stumped. Then further down the conversation again ask them what they think about something. This time, looking neutral at them again, say “that’s brilliant”. You will find their facial expression lifts and they may even smile.
This experiment is not as good as the first one because you are only getting a facial response. However it does show that the other person did perceive what you said to them mentally because the facial responses will be appropriate. Except of course if they did say something they thought was bullsh*t then they might laugh. If you think they are able to appreciate your experiment you may be able to confide in them and look to get one presenting a simple idea and the other writing it down.
When I did this experiment a long time ago, I found that a small number of people immediately looked at me suspiciously. I made a note of them and I found out later, in some cases years later, that they were all toxic. I have also had occasion to see that toxic people use this technique to determine whether another person, especially one that they have just met, right of the bat, before any relationship has developed, is “one of them”, i.e., toxic or not.
Kyrani.
kyrani99
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What about the babies, the children diagnosed with Type 1 ?
. As I said, Hope is a good word and maybe, just maybe, one day with the advancement in scientific medicine, there may be away to reverse it. But I doubt it will be in my lifetime. .But HOPE for my granchild and all the other Type 1's in the world and those who so desperately cling on to that little four letter word, HOPE
Hi Robinredbreast,
You say that your condition arose “after the shock of my husband leaving”. Do you mean he left the relationship or do you mean he died?
You may not have had colitis but rather an inflammation of the pancreas and specifically beta cells. It might have seemed like colitis because the pancreas is close to the top of the large intestine at the top side of the abdomen and easy to confuse, even for a doctor. They don’t immediately think diabetes. The timing of your illness sounds suspicious to me and when you say you have a grandchild with diabetes type 1, it makes me even more suspicious. Why did it happen? I would be looking to find what ideas could there have been to cause your body to react like that? I suspect some foul play by people related to you. But that is my judgement and not necessarily correct. There may be other reason.
I suggest for now you follow my discussion with Spiker.
Where children are concerned I do have some things to say and I will post that on my blogs but not for a long time into the future.
I will say this though. You do not sound very optimistic. I can understand that the disease is disheartening but as you say you need to maintain hope. In Greek we say “hope dies last”. If you do not think that you will ever see a cure in your life time then you set yourself up for failure. You need to change your thinking. I know it is hard when the disease causes real suffering and limitations in your life, but you need to try to see the light in the end of the tunnel. In the early 1990’s I had stage 4 terminal cancer (it was in the ovary, uterus, cervix, colon and both lungs) AND diabetes type 2 and complications from tha,t all at the same time. The doctors gave me no hope. They basically threw their book in the trash and walked out, so to speak. I got myself well. I know I have important work to do so death is not an option.
Look within and find your courage.
Kyrani.
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No my husband did not die, he left the martial home in January. As for the Colitis, it was suspected, as this happened relatively soon after his departure and definitely not the same symptoms as Type 1, which happened later,in the summer. But what ever the condition was at the time ,it was brought on by the devastating shock to my system. I will still live in HOPE for a cure one day, in the future. I do have courage, more than anyone will know, thank you.
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I am sure you mean well but to suggest that diabetes is the fault of a poor relationship is totally wrong and unfair. This may have been the case with you but please refrain from making sweeping statements. Often parents feel guilty as it is if a child develops diabetes, please don't make them feel any worse.
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Kyrani, if you are elaborating your theories please be sure to keep it totally abstract and refrain from making any comments that resemble a diagnosis for anyone else. That would be highly improper and irresponsible. You are also on very sensitive ground if you are blaming any person for themselves or any other person getting diabetes.
At this point as far as I can tell you are arguing that diabetes is caused by what would traditionally be called The Evil Eye. The projection of a malicious thought or feeling from one person to another. Before going on for pages and pages, could you just confirm if that is what you think?
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At this point as far as I can tell you are arguing that diabetes is caused by what would traditionally be called The Evil Eye. The projection of a malicious thought or feeling from one person to another. Before going on for pages and pages, could you just confirm if that is what you think?
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kyrani99
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You are right, it is not always the fault of a poor relationship, but it can be. That is what I wanted to point out. It can be that one party tries to hurt the other. It is common in break ups. This is what I found in my case, which is why I said “I am suspicious of the circumstances”. I did not think I made a sweeping statement because I said “that is my judgement and not necessarily correct. There may be other reason. I apologize..
I can see what you mean about parents with children that have diabetes. I removed what I said because it obviously could be taken the wrong way and I don’t want to distress anyone in such a position.
Thanks for pointing these things out to me.
Kyrani
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Spiker, I am not interested in making diagnosis at all. I am interested in helping others find their own diagnosis because ONLY they know their body and mind. What theories did I mention? None. I am trying to share what I discovered for myself that helped me overcome two devastating diseases, with complications and return my body to health. If it resounds with you well and good I can be of assistance but if not then I can’t help. Your case may be miles different to mine.
I think the Evil Eye is bogus.. bullsh*t. Evil people have NO power to harm another person. An evil person cannot “project anything”. Thoughts and feelings are not projected. This is just “old wives tales”. If that is what you understood from what I said then I can’t help you because I’m not being understood. I said thoughts/ideas can be presented in mind and thoughts/ideas can be perceived in mind. There is scientific evidence for that. I suggested you do a science experiment didn’t I? I am a scientist. I have a science degree from the University of NSW.
How you see things though will depend on your world view.
If you believe that the material is all that there is and your mind is just the activity of your brain then you cannot go any further with that. If you believe that reality consist of both a material and a non-material/ mental reality, then you can appreciate the mental entanglements that are seen in parapsychology and indeed in other areas such as physics. The observer effect or measurement problem in physics points strongly to a reality that is both material and non-material. Scientists are split about this. Many scientists though do not want to let go of the “material is all that there is” point of view. Medical science insists that “we are robots and the mind is just the activity in the brain.” I don’t agree with the robots etc. And I am not just basing myself on my own observations. There is plenty of scientific evidence. I believe that a paradigm shift in science is immanent.
Does this explain things?
Maybe you are not interested in anymore dialogue. That’s okay, just say so.
Kyrani.
