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Following the sudden death yesterday of the former French government minister Philippe Séguin, who suffered a fatal heart attack, aged 66, the European Society of Cardiology is warning the public of the dangers of leaving risk factors such as hyperlipidemia, hypertension or diabetes untreated.

The full article:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/175513.php

This is what worries me every time I see people proudly telling us they refuse Cholesterol lowering, Blood Pressure lowering and anti-Diabetic drugs - just because some 'Guru' or other says they are bad for you.

So is dying.......... :(
 
Hi cugila,
I don't follow any guru. Why would I take advice from a complete stranger who does not know me or my medical history? However, I cannot take statins due to the horrendous side effects I experienced. I wish that I could because it would be cheaper than relying on cholesterol lowering foods that have had the desired result for me.

I think that the message is if your G.P./Endo. recommends medication for diabetes and related problems then please be aware that he/she has your best interests at heart, (excuse the pun) :wink:
 
Catherine.
Did you try all the Statins available ? I had side effects from one particular Statin and was put onto Atorvastatin, result no side effects. There are quite a few available.

I agree totally that if your medical team recommends some medication to you in relation to your Heart, then I personally think it is sensible to go with it in the main.
 
Hi cugila,
I didn't give up on the first statin but tried several, all with the same results. ( Crippled with leg pain, unable to walk upstairs without stopping twice. Could only drive short distances because of pain in legs. Felt unwell but nothing specific, tired mentally and physically, felt depressed but this was probably due to the symptoms) This was over a period of about a year so I consider that I did really try to accommodate statins in my drug regime.
 
Hi Cugila
I did read through the article including the bit about having a diet high in complex carbs. My endo was the one who wanted me to take Crestor. My endo was also the one who said "no carbs". I was referred to him because I had peripheral neuropathy. Soon saw a contradiction here when I looked up "rare side effects" of taking the statin.
With great trepidation initially, I ignored his Crestor advice but took on board his "no carbs" advice, read solidly for the last 9 months and upped my dietary fat.
My trigs at 0.48 I believe are absolutely spot on and chol/HDL ratio of 2.4 is great. My GP thinks all my lipids are wonderful. I am female and have not found any studies to show statins will prolong my life and not further impair my feet. Due to my LCHF diet I have eliminated, BP, cholesterol lowering, reflux drugs and Metformin. In Australian dollars the equivilant to $120 a month which I can spend on great food.
I will return to the endo in May this year and he said 9 months ago that if I show that I have understood and controlled my diabetes he does not want to see me ever again. He will be seeing about 25% less of me and as I have a non-diabetic HbA1c, normal BP, no reflux, an ever improving lipid panel, in fact no symptoms of diabetes, I am suggesting we will not be seeing each other again!
Alison
 
The dietary advice in this article is aimed at people with heart problems,not specifically diabetics, I would not follow that dietary advice as well!!

However the main thrust of this thread is about taking the medication offered, not the dietary advice.
 
Hi Clearviews.
Yes, I agree that the dietary advice is totally wrong. I was given that advice and followed it before and after my Triple Heart By-Pass in 2004. That advice nearly killed me, so I agree nothing's perfect.
That is only a peripheral subject. Protection is the main thrust of this article. Now if you are able to control all those areas well with a good diet (not the one listed) then that is great. Many aren't and their levels are way above what is recommended, BP, Chol, anti Diabetic drugs etc. They put their health at risk for the sake of a principle. If there is a medical reason (side effects) for not taking the drugs that's fine.

The article is about your Heart and people avoiding medication which can help avoid putting themselves at risk. I believe in prevention first. So I agree with some, but not all. Take what you need from it, that's all.

I have seen people state on here that they won't take Statins mainly because they have tried one and it gave side effects, when asked they state they haven't tried alternatives....sometimes they just won't because they read somewhere they are bad for you. It isn't just Statins, there are the other drugs as well. I don't want to focus on one area, so let's not concentrate on them. We have had that discussion many times before on here and it has been well documented.

Personally I prefer to protect myself first rather than leave things to chance.....

Catherine. At least you tried , there are many who just don't for the reasons listed.
 
Yes, I agree with that Cugila. I did try an alternative drug but I believe that the endo was not focused on my reasonable concern about my numb feet with the real possibility of amputation in the future and was pushing me to take a statin just because I had diabetes and not because I had a life threatening lipid panel.
 
cugila said:
Following the sudden death yesterday of the former French government minister Philippe Séguin, who suffered a fatal heart attack, aged 66, the European Society of Cardiology is warning the public of the dangers of leaving risk factors such as hyperlipidemia, hypertension or diabetes untreated.

The full article:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/175513.php

This is what worries me every time I see people proudly telling us they refuse Cholesterol lowering, Blood Pressure lowering and anti-Diabetic drugs - just because some 'Guru' or other says they are bad for you.

So is dying.......... :(
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Strong words there Ken!

Read through the article and it is grim reading, the death rate is quite alarming! :shock: I agree that people should take the meds prescribe to them, unless they are suffering from side-effects of the drugs, in which case alternatives may be sought.

I wrote a post yesterday regarding an article in the current issue of Balance, which covers this topic. I thought it was good reading, brief but straight to the point on keeping numbers down regarding blood pressure, blood glucose and cholesterol. I do know that many members on this forum are members of Diabetes UK and will recieve thier copy of balance, however the 66 members who read my post didn't think it was worthy enough to reply.

Although these articles are shocking to read, and it is indeed a sad time for the former ministers family, the coverage it will recieve will hopefully lead on to save many more lives.

Best wishes

Nigel
 
Nigel I have recently read your post concerning cholesterol from Balance.

Perhaps you could copy some of the relevant parts here with an acknowledgement so as not to infringe copyright laws as I, for one, do not receive Balance Mag. I did google the author to see if I could find it but no success. He is quite impressive in the amount of research he conducts for Diabetics.
 
Thanks Catherine,

It doesn't really matter, it was merely pointing out the importance of good cardio management, keeping numbers low to prevent heart disease etc. I mentioned it again cause I thought it had some relevance to Ken's post.

Regards

Nigel
 
Just a reminder Nigel, or anybody else for that matter:

Any copies of articles etc can only have a short extract and a link to stay within copyright rules, not just an acknowledgement.
 
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