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It wasn't depression it was Neuroglycopenia

hi again,

I read your very first blog explaining your journey and yes we definitely have a lot in common. It was strange because my consultant told me my condition was rare too. He was giving a lecture at Harvard Medical School and wanted to use me as a case study.

I particularly noticed your following comments on

Alcohol - I used to be affected by even small amounts of alcohol, I would get quite drunk on not that much and often couldn't remember what had happen.

Weight gain - I was also diagnosed with insulin resistance. When you have that then weight loss is just impossible. I could starve myself and never lose weight. Only a low GI diet and exercise has achieved weight loss. This is the key for people like us.

Sleep - Insulin rises naturally in the evening, through the night and early morning. I was recommended to do 10 minutes exercise before bed and on rising in order to lower my insulin. You only tend to have disturbed sleep when your insulin isn't stable during the night. The key to this is to get your insulin lower before bed time.

Reactive Hypos - Mine too are reactive condition and carbs are my enemy.

Your blog was a very interesting read and as you previously said in your reply we have a lot in common. One thing that would be interested to know is that do you have the PCOS gene? My consultant tells me that men can carry the gene and one symptom of this is baldness in men before the ago of 30. You might be a man but you can still have the PCOS gene which would result in you getting the same illnesses ie more prone to heart problems, strokes, diabetes etc.

Make you wonder how many more people there are out there who also have our problem but have yet to be diagnosed.

Keep up the good work, you are doing well.

Regard

Thanks for the reply, I missed it and I'm not sure why!
I am very busy, and only spend a few hours a week now on here!

Thanks for reading my blog, I have indeed been through it and had an interesting life!

I have had lots of tests, but I'm not aware of having the PCOS gene or been tested for it! If I remember I'll ask my endocrinologist next appointment.
But I am nearly bald! Just a around the back and sides!
So I could have it!
That would be interesting, as my daughter is constantly struggling with her health, with thyroid and diverticulitis causing problems for her! I will ask her if she has been tested!

It is good there are others out there, we are unique and lucky to find our endocrinologists, I know from helping answer our forum, that there is many more out there if only doctors knew about how to look for the symptoms!

@nicknack79 do keep coming back, and Let us know how you are doing.
Your experience can be useful!
 
Hi and welcome @jinglybells

The forum is set up to prevent new posters from being able to send private messages until they have posted several times. It is intended to prevent people from just setting up an account and spamming everyone by PM.

If you just keep posting, you will find that the PM facility unlocks soon (although I am not sure exactly how many posts you need to make before it happens), and then you will be able to contact @Nicnak1997 directly.

Hope that helps. :)
Thank you so much @Brunneria - I think my messages have unlocked now so I'll give it a whirl. I couldn't see reference to it in the video I watched for newbies, but I have a notification so maybe my first post, or your reply, unlocked it for me. Thanks again :0)
 
Hi and welcome @jinglybells

The forum is set up to prevent new posters from being able to send private messages until they have posted several times. It is intended to prevent people from just setting up an account and spamming everyone by PM.

If you just keep posting, you will find that the PM facility unlocks soon (although I am not sure exactly how many posts you need to make before it happens), and then you will be able to contact @Nicnak1997 directly.

Hope that helps. :)
It hasn't actually unlocked yet - I was awarded a trophy for 'FIRST MESSAGE' - I thought I could send one lol. I think that meant first message posted (ie here). I shall hold on for a bit and see what happens. Hopefully @niknak1997 sees my post first and can message me! Have a good rest of your Sunday.
 
Hi,

I have just joined the website but have written the following about my experiences. If it helps just one person I will be happy :)

I suffered with ill health for over 20 years and was misdiagnosed with depression, fibromyalgia, tennis elbow, irritable bowel syndrome etc. A couple of years ago my life got to a point where couldn’t function on a day to day basis and I was extremely ill. My GP probably just thought I was a hypochondriac.

I spent most of my life asleep and had no energy for anything. I tried to play golf but I just couldn’t. I was craving sugar all the time. I was having hypos all the time including in my sleep. I believe if I hadn’t have found my consultant then I may have died soon. If I didn’t die I certainly would have ended up diabetic. I have never been able to drink alcohol as it makes me fall asleep (even in a night club) and it wouldn’t take much. I wouldn’t remember what had happened the night before. If I hate carbohydrates eg bread, it felt like I was drugged up, I couldn’t stay awake and no one could wake me up. I had constant headaches which were horrendous, I had them all the time, I woke up with them I went to bed with them and they never went. They would sometimes last for months without a break. My skin felt like it was crawling. I had very bad stomach problems, bloating and pain. I itched all the time. My concentration levels were terrible, with brain fog and I just couldn’t do anything (like I had a total block on all the time). I had two tennis elbows which lasted six years and no medication or cortisone would ever do anything for them.

That is when my GP referred me to the best endocrinologist who changed my life. He is an expert in PCOS, diabetes and the endocrine system. After flaking out with a glucose tolerance test and many other blood tests he gave me his diagnosis. I had Neuroglycopenia (blood glucose reading of 2.0), Insulin Resistance and PCOS. A few years back I went for fertility investigations because I wanted another child and couldn’t get pregnant. I had a PCOS assessment and was told I didn’t have PCOS (by CARE). PCOS was only confirmed by my endocrinologist with a blood test.

He told me that I wasn’t depressed, didn’t have fibromyalgia etc. All my problems were down to PCOS which was a genetic problem in my family (early baldness before the age of 30 in my dad's side). My family has a history of heart problems and diabetes. I guess I am the lucky one, my brother already has type 2 diabetes in his mid forties and although I have early symptoms of developing diabetes I have had an opportunity to get myself back on track and so avert the onset of the illness. My 18 year old daughter has also been diagnosed with PCOS as she was displaying symptoms from an early age. I want to make sure she doesn’t suffer like I have.

Being ill all these years has ruined relationships, lost me jobs and my quality of life has been very poor.

My endocrinologist gave me Metformin as this works on the PCOS (isn’t licensed in the UK to treat PCOS but it should be). He also gave me Spironolactone which is a testosterone blocker. Of course if you take Metformin you should also take vitamin B12. People with the PCOS gene produce too much testosterone. The PCOS gene is present in both men and women and men can suffer with problems just as much as a woman. I didn’t get PCOS because I put weight on, I already had the PCOS gene and it made me put weight on because it makes you Insulin Resistant.

After being on my medication for around two and a half years and a change of lifestyle (ie a low glycaemic diet and exercise I can now say that I am feeling well. I have lost a total of 3st 9lb (now 9st 5lb) I will need to take my medication for the rest of my life and live a very strict lifestyle (it's a struggle) but it is much better than being so ill and the prospect of dying early. All my blood tests show all my hormones are in healthy ranges, my organs are all working well and I am now a healthy person. I have an annual check up every year just to keep a check of my blood figures.

I still suffer with peripheral neuropathy, my eyes are affected, I rarely have a hypo, I rarely have headaches and when I do I know that I haven’t been looking after myself too well (it’s difficult to live a strict lifestyle when you have to go out and socialise). I know when I have overdone it when I get a headache or the odd hypo. Carbohydrates still make me go to sleep. My stomach is much better now that my problem is under control. I only get joint pains when my insulin gets too high. Another symptom I still get when I know I haven’t been good with my diet is my brain literally stops working. I guess no one can understand what that means unless you suffer from it yourself.

I believe there are many people out there who have been ill for years, their doctors have misdiagnosed them or just say there was nothing wrong with them. My doctor used to take blood tests and they would all seem normal. No one ever did a glucose tolerance test. I once went into my doctors surgery having a hypo and they told me I was having an anxiety attack. If you can’t find out why you are ill I would ask for a second opinion. It’s always worth checking your glucose tolerance and getting a proper blood check done for PCOS. It goes hand in hand with insulin resistance and causes so much damage to your health. If you catch it early it is easier to put the problem right. I would never wish what I went through on anyone.

Metformin isn’t available to me free like a diabetic, I have to pay for it because they haven’t licensed it in the UK for treating PCOS. If I developed diabetes because of my PCOS they would then let me have it free. I am taking Metformin to stop me getting diabetes yet the NHS won’t support me on that one. If anyone out there has PCOS or knows someone who has it then they should always be treated. PCOS causes diabetes, strokes and heart problems which usually means an earlier death and a substantial long term cost to the NHS.

If you go on to develop type 2 diabetes then it isn’t too late. Your health is the most important thing in the world. You can change your lifestyle and make yourself better.
What is your treatment now cos this sound like my daughter but she hasn't diabetes xx
 
It hasn't actually unlocked yet - I was awarded a trophy for 'FIRST MESSAGE' - I thought I could send one lol. I think that meant first message posted (ie here). I shall hold on for a bit and see what happens. Hopefully @niknak1997 sees my post first and can message me! Have a good rest of your Sunday.

Just keep posting. :)

You can start your own thread and then post 10 times in it, and see whether your PMs have unlocked, if you like. :D
 
Just keep posting. :)

You can start your own thread and then post 10 times in it, and see whether your PMs have unlocked, if you like. :D

I'm able to send messages now - woo hoo! Thanks for the tips. @Nicnak1997 doesn't seem to have been online for a few weeks so I'm hoping they log on at some point soon to see my message. The story is so similar to my own.
 
Hi Niknak1997 - I've been trying to private message you. I saw your story while searching for some answers to my own. I can't see how to message you (I followed the video posted but I don't get the same options). Not sure if it's because I'm new? Are you able to message me please? I see similarities in your story to my own 15 years of hell! Keen to speak to you. Many thanks.
 
Thanks for the reply, I missed it and I'm not sure why!
I am very busy, and only spend a few hours a week now on here!

Thanks for reading my blog, I have indeed been through it and had an interesting life!

I have had lots of tests, but I'm not aware of having the PCOS gene or been tested for it! If I remember I'll ask my endocrinologist next appointment.
But I am nearly bald! Just a around the back and sides!
So I could have it!
That would be interesting, as my daughter is constantly struggling with her health, with thyroid and diverticulitis causing problems for her! I will ask her if she has been tested!

It is good there are others out there, we are unique and lucky to find our endocrinologists, I know from helping answer our forum, that there is many more out there if only doctors knew about how to look for the symptoms!

@nicknack79 do keep coming back, and Let us know how you are doing.
Your experience can be useful!
 
Hi Lamont D

Sorry I haven’t been around for a while, I originally signed up under an old email which I no longer use. I’ve signed up again with my new email so should be able to participate more.

It’s been a while now since my medical problems were diagnosed (2013). I generally stay on top of things. Tried to reduce my metformin and spironolactone and manage my condition by diet. I just ended up ill, my symptoms soon worsened again. Testosterone up, insulin up and blood sugars low. I think it’s something which will always need to be controlled with meds.

Since I originally posted I had the added complication of being diagnosed with tonsil cancer which has tended to take priority for a while. The cancer treatment has caused multiple problems which I’m still dealing with. However, I’m still here which is a bonus.

My PCOS gene comes from my dad. My daughter has been diagnosed with it and so has my cousin on my dads side. She is totally infertile. Luckily I’m past my child bearing years. Before I got my condition under control I was infertile. With meds, diet and lifestyle change I managed to reverse the hormone imbalance (FSH/LH) and became fertile again. It’s a life long struggle to keep well.

During cancer treatment I was fitted with a feed tube and lived on liquid food supplied by The NHS. This caused problems trying to control my condition. I eventually got back on metformin in liquid form but it took longer to resume spironolactone tablets.

I’ve noticed during lockdown this year that that stress (of having kids around 24/7) really affected my insulin. A weird thing that happened, I started experiencing was bowel problems. My endocrinologist prescribed me propranolol which has now calmed me down and bowels are back to normal. Before my diagnosis in 2013 I had terrible IBS but getting the condition under control has got rid of the problem. I’ve noticed when your body is under stress it really affects your entire digestive system and bowels. I see in your post your daughter has bowel issues. Problem with PCOS it affects all your hormones, insulin, testosterone, adrenaline, cortisol (stress hormone), reproductive hormones, thyroid. It can be s vicious circle. The best way I find to balance these is control the insulin and reduce your stress.

My advice, especially during these strange times of covid is keep your immune system strong. No stress(I know that’s difficult), good quality sleep, eat balanced diet, take your vit D and C.
 
Hi

Initially my consultant put me on metformin x2 a day (to control the insulin) and spironolactone x2 a day (to reduce the testosterone)

You don’t have to be diabetic to have these problems. I have never been diabetic. If you have these problems it causes you to become insulin resistant. You are then prone to piling weight on and difficult to get off. Eventually it’s likely you will become diabetic.

Best to take the meds, follow a strict low glycemic diet, keep stress levels low, immune system high. If you take metformin you also need vit B12.

Hope that helps
 
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