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Just diagnosed myself as type 2 diabetic and am confused

Munster52

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Devon
Type of diabetes
Type 2
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Tablets (oral)
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Hi I'm a nurse an self diagnosed myself when I did a blood sugar which was 24 ! , I refered myself to the diabetic nurse at my gp and whilst waiting to see her (2 weeks later) I put myself on low carb diet lost 10 lbs and got my blood sugar down to 7 . When I went to see her she was so unhelpful I'm no better off than before. She didn't want to see my readings , said I'll start you on metformin 500 mg buMt I don't know why as I thought I'd done really well in two weeks. Asked if occasionly could drink a bottle of wine on a night out was told no- one should drink that much!! . They gave me no advice whatsoever just told me to come back in three months!!. The only useful thing she did was refer me for an eye test as iv had horrendous blurred vision, she didn't even ask if I had any problems or symptoms. Now I'm a qualified nurse so if I don't know what to do from here nonmedical people have no hope. Could someone tell me what I should be doing now I test my blood sugars at work but was told I didn't need to as I'm type 2 hello but how do I know how I'm doing if I don't test?., also why start me on meds when I'd obviously made a difference myself in only two weeks? . Any help gratefully received thanks in advance .
 
Welcome to the forum. Sorry to hear that you have diabetes, but you've come to the right place.

Your experience is typical (definitely similar to mine here in Canada) - very little information provided, told not to self-test, put on metformin, then sent off to your own devices until the next 5 minute consultation in 3 months. Having said that, many people have had a more positive experience with the health care industry when they are first diagnosed - it's just the luck of the draw.

If you want to know more about diabetes than most health care professionals, read through this website - it's got just about everything you need to know and it includes references to medical journal papers:

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/

@daisy1 will provide some basic info on diabetes soon.

Personally, I wouldn't be drinking much until I had a liver function test if I were you. Often there's NAFLD along with the raised blood glucose.

Good luck and ask lots of questions here on the forum.
 
@Munster52 ... Hi welcome to the forum....! Wowww.... well done on bringing your bs levels down and losing the weight!

Being a nurse you could do an hba1c or a OGTT (need 12 hour fast) to confirm your T2 diagnosis. ... then make an appt to see your GP and discuss whether to take the metformin.... NICE guidelines says it is the first line in meds treatment in T2D ... or you could try LCHF diet and exercise. Your DN has done right to refer you for eye test and you will also be getting an invite to Desmond course too.

You are right... she could hv been better at communication. .. maybe she was busy or ....

But you hv done well thus far... do get that appt wt your GP and impress him wt your bs numbers!
 
Hi and welcome,

Your encounter with the DN is very typical. Sadly they are mainly ticking boxes and following practice guidelines. It isn't her fault. Worry not, you have found this forum so you will get all the help and support you need. Well done on the weight loss, and well done on starting the low carb diet.

I strongly urge you to purchase your own glucose meter so you can use it when not at work. You will find it your best tool in getting your levels down. Test before you eat and about 2 hours after first bite. Check the rise in levels. The aim is to keep that rise down under 2mmol/l (much less than that is preferable)

You say you diagnosed yourself. Does this mean you haven't had an HbA1c test and full blood tests for liver and kidney function, cholesterol and lipids, and full blood counts? If not, you need to organise this with your GP.

Have a good read round the forum, and then if you still have questions, come back and ask. You may find this thread useful if you intend to continue with low carb. http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/a-new-low-carb-guide-for-beginners.68695/

Good luck!
 
@Munster52 ... Hi welcome to the forum....! Wowww.... well done on bringing your bs levels down and losing the weight!

Being a nurse you could do an hba1c or a OGTT (need 12 hour fast) to confirm your T2 diagnosis. ... then make an appt to see your GP and discuss whether to take the metformin.... NICE guidelines says it is the first line in meds treatment in T2D ... or you could try LCHF diet and exercise. Your DN has done right to refer you for eye test and you will also be getting an invite to Desmond course too.

You are right... she could hv been better at communication. .. maybe she was busy or ....

But you hv done well thus far... do get that appt wt your GP and impress him wt your bs numbers!


Hi my hba1c was 65 , she said oh you won't need to go to Desmond !! , didn't even know what she was muttering to herself about until after when I looked it up
 
Hi and welcome,

Your encounter with the DN is very typical. Sadly they are mainly ticking boxes and following practice guidelines. It isn't her fault. Worry not, you have found this forum so you will get all the help and support you need. Well done on the weight loss, and well done on starting the low carb diet.

I strongly urge you to purchase your own glucose meter so you can use it when not at work. You will find it your best tool in getting your levels down. Test before you eat and about 2 hours after first bite. Check the rise in levels. The aim is to keep that rise down under 2mmol/l (much less than that is preferable)

You say you diagnosed yourself. Does this mean you haven't had an HbA1c test and full blood tests for liver and kidney function, cholesterol and lipids, and full blood counts? If not, you need to organise this with your GP.

Have a good read round the forum, and then if you still have questions, come back and ask. You may find this thread useful if you intend to continue with low carb. http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/a-new-low-carb-guide-for-beginners.68695/

Good luck!


Hi got my own blood test done at work my hba1c was 65
 
Hi and welcome!

Great advice above, but it looks like you have already learned the most important first lesson: you are the only one motivated to make a difference with this - and you have clearly hit the ground running.

:)

Once you have read the phlaunt website, and you have got yourself a meter, then you can tailor your own eating to suit yourself, your appetites and interests.

Welcome to the club!
 
Very bad service! Had to wait 2 weeks that's disgusting! Blurred vision is normal and will revert in a few weeks, you can drink wine of course, just keep an eye on your sugars, everything in moderation, I would go back and insist on seeing someone
 
Hey,welcome to the forum.This is the best place for advice from those of us who are going through,or have been through your journey.So above all, stick with us.Get to know your way around this forum and you will be well informed in no time.So don't worry there are plenty of friendly people here to guide you.
Good advice already given but a few pointers from me.
Get an hbA1c test and full bloods including lipids and liver function etc and INSIST on a print out.
Push for a meter and test strips on prescription.Good luck with that!!
Get a diary and test first thing for a fasting reading, and test one and two hours after first bite of each meal.Note your readings and what you have eaten.You will soon work out what you can and cannot tolerate.Ideally less than a 2.0 rise and never above 7.8.
Arrange an eye test with an optician,they can photograph your eyes right away.NHS appointments take ages.Just for peace of mind.
As a type 2 LCHF has been a transformation for me, so have a good look and see what you think.Check out success stories and what have you eaten today threads.
That will be a good start, it is a lot to take in at first but it does get easier, I now enjoy my new diet and lifestyle as it has forced me to change some poor habits.
Finally you can have red wine, or unflavoured spirits ( ie no sugars ) say gin,vodka,whisky and diet mixers.And as much bacon and eggs as you can manage :-)
 
Hi and welcome. Yes, do get a meter and continue with a low-carb diet. 500mg of Metformin won't do any harm and will help just a little. Your experience with the NHS is typical I'm afraid and you've come to a good place.
 
@Munster52

Hello and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find this useful. Ask more questions when you like and someone will help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Diagnosed 19th November by my GP , put on 500mg metformin and told nothing else still waiting on appointment with diabetic care team, confused
 
To many thumbs in the Diabetic pie for the medical institutions,greedy politicans. big pharma etc to change , we got to do it ourselves
 
Thanks guys for all your advice , can I just ask I looove bread how often would I be able to treat myself to say a cheese baget?? I have not had any carbs in nearly three weeks it's going ok but I miss bread :(
 
I would say that depends on your meter and how high and how often you want to see that number. Many of us can't eat bread without spiking. Sad, I know....
 
Try Lidl high protein rolls. They are low carb - about 10g per roll. I slice mine in half and can only manage a half as they are so filling. I toast it and spread a ton of butter on. Delicious. They freeze well. They do look disgusting, dark brown triangular shaped and packed with seed, and don't look at all appetising, but believe me, they are! They do hardly anything to my levels, whereas ordinary bread does.
 
Try Lidl high protein rolls. They are low carb - about 10g per roll. I slice mine in half and can only manage a half as they are so filling. I toast it and spread a ton of butter on. Delicious. They freeze well. They do look disgusting, dark brown triangular shaped and packed with seed, and don't look at all appetising, but believe me, they are! They do hardly anything to my levels, whereas ordinary bread does.
Thanks I will definitely give them a go
 
Hey I could not agree more about the Lidl rolls as I am a bread lover too.They are great, after much practice I can get 4 slices out of one! So that's 4 slices for sandwiches,cheese on toast,French toast etc.
Also if you slice them really thinly across the way ( looking down on top if you see what I mean) and then bake em in the oven they make fantastic low carb melba toast/ crackers.Especially good for pate and cheese all low carb of course.

Worth a try.
 
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