Just Found this about Grapefruit & Water Type 2 Diabetics

[Kyi]

The trouble with any food studies is you do not know what else the people are eating. You can not live on grapefruit alone. If I was eating grapefruit and not eating a whole bunch more of food Id lose weight and Id reduce my glucose readings. I hear lots of us saying Ive cut my bs reading because Ive cut my carbs. In reality I would have expected this. If you do not put the carbs in then were would the glucose come from if you do not increase your proteins. Fats do not produce glucose. Its bound to be lower. The real test is if we raise our carbs long term does the glucose reading also rise? Ive seen plenty of people reduce their blood sugars to become non diabetes but how many of those are back to the eat well plate 180g carbs per day or have they just remained low carb eaters?

 

[Sirmione]

Grapefruit has some unique properties, one them is it slows down the rate at which some medications get cleared from the body which can be dangerous.
By strange co-incidence an ancestor of mine James MacFadyen was the first person to record the Grapefruit scientifically.

 

[robertconroy]

If you do 1/2 grapefruit a day, you won't need a statin drug, that now is proven to cause high blood sugar and neuropathy. The reason you are advised to not eat grapefruit with any statin drug is it makes the drug twice as effective and you'd only have to take half as much.

 

[RoseofSharon]

I found this link about grapefruit.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16579728

Its interesting findings are worth publishing ( IMHO)

There was also a significant reduction in 2-hour post-glucose insulin level in the grapefruit group compared with placebo. Half of a fresh grapefruit eaten before meals was associated with significant weight loss. In metabolic syndrome patients the effect was also seen with grapefruit products. Insulin resistance was improved with fresh grapefruit.

I am not doing any Metformin but lots of exercise & good diet. I am going to add this to my diet. For folks who are taking drugs like statins, this, I believe may be off limits. So check with your doctor before starting to add grapefruit

I'm so sorry but few to no healthcare professional would read further than the abstract of that article, and it certainly wouldn't be used within evidence based practice - except maybe as an example of a biased and skewed study. The abstract brings up many problems, firstly there is nothing to factor out the placebo effect as all participants were given placebo capsules (and for most people the mere fact of taking a pill placebo or not will trigger a response). Secondly drinking fruit juice is in no way comparable to fresh fruit due to the fibre etc having been removed and the sugar concentrated, the fresh grapefruit half is not compared with a comparable amount of fresh apple. Thirdly as has already been pointed out, the statistical weight loss is not significant enough, nor is this study applicable generally due to the number of medications that grapefruit interacts with (not just statins, but mental health drugs, diabetic medication etc). Yes I realise that the goal is to remove the need for the medications, but frankly given the lack of any other form of fruit mentioned I wonder if the study organisers knew they'd have just as good results with any fresh fruit they chose. At best studies like this one are irresponsible to say the least.

 

[Sirmione]

My limited wiki understanding is that Grapefruit contains compounds that are cleared from the body by the same route several classes of drugs are cleared from the body. Consuming a significant amount of grapefruit juice will saturate these routes and lead to an unpredictable build up of drugs remaining in the system and a potential overdose.

 

[Sirmione]

Apparently around 80 pints of chlorinated water a day is considered to be harmful. This is probably urban myth. Some mineral waters are also deemed to be harmful if drunk to excess, but not sure what they consider excess. It depends on the location of the source of the water. Moderation......

Moderation in all things istr the human body makes use of almost every natural element and compound it encounters even the ones that would be deadly in anything more than trace amounts.

 

[bulkbiker]

The trouble with any food studies is you do not know what else the people are eating. You can not live on grapefruit alone. If I was eating grapefruit and not eating a whole bunch more of food Id lose weight and Id reduce my glucose readings. I hear lots of us saying Ive cut my bs reading because Ive cut my carbs. In reality I would have expected this. If you do not put the carbs in then were would the glucose come from if you do not increase your proteins. Fats do not produce glucose. Its bound to be lower. The real test is if we raise our carbs long term does the glucose reading also rise? Ive seen plenty of people reduce their blood sugars to become non diabetes but how many of those are back to the eat well plate 180g carbs per day or have they just remained low carb eaters?

surely the real test is more like ...I have no symptoms of diabetes and I eat to maintain that healthy blood glucose level. If I were to revert to a diet that raises my blood glucose levels my body may or may not be able to cope with that but why would I want to do that? If I am drugs free with a condition controlled by diet and exercise (in my case diet) I don't care if I am "cured" because the problems caused by my condition don't have an impact on my life. My previous ways of eating and drinking contributed to the causation of this condition so I avoid those ways of eating and drinking.
Sorry if that's a bit complicated.

 

[ickihun]

With or without the study it cannot be denied grapefruit makes a difference to the human body.
Like any food. Test it on your meter and if it increases your bgs then it may not be for you!
Statin users don't eat.
Nothing in excess is a long term solution.

 

[Oldvatr]

It worries me that people here are blindly encouraging others to eat grapefruit without first doing the proper research, It has been pointed out in this thread that there are contraindications to this that could give rise to serious and unwanted complications. It is not just statins that are contraindicated. Two of my heart medications are on the list, as are several common antidepressants and analgesics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapefruit–drug_interactions
http://www.nps.org.au/publications/...-living/2012/mixing-grapefruit-with-medicines

Please make sure you understand the risks before eating grapefruit, since a similar situation occurred when the grapefruit diet fad was running in the fashion mags.

 

[RoseofSharon]

*sigh* natural is not the same as safe guys! Unless you are treating your diabetes with diet alone and take no medication at all, grapefruit causes more problems than it solves. It interferes with statins (let's not mention the whole statin debate), it actually increases metformin a production of lactic acid, interferes with certain psychiatric drugs etc., etc., etc.. A good rule of thumb is grapefruit + medication = danger! Neither myself or my hubby can drink grapefruit now due to medications which we are on. Please peeps keep yourselves safe, chasing after some elusive magic bullet rather than just learning to make healthy choices can really be dangerous.

Edmac there are cases where a double blind study is not feasible and other forms of study are used to establish best practice, however double blinds are the best form of study if they are possible. Read my earlier post on the issues with the abstract of this study.

 

[Sirmione]

If you do 1/2 grapefruit a day, you won't need a statin drug, that now is proven to cause high blood sugar and neuropathy. The reason you are advised to not eat grapefruit with any statin drug is it makes the drug twice as effective and you'd only have to take half as much.

It isn't increasing the effectiveness of the the Statin it is increasing the length of time the Statin lingers in the body. Even on a lower dose the side effects of the Statin won't be reduced in fact it puts you on a path to potential Statin overdose.

A bit like changing from a car that is a gas guzzling 4x4 to a Nissan Micra that only burns 1/3 the fuel, even filling the tank with 1/2 ammount of fuel every week eventually the tank will overflow.

 

[louchar]

I found this link about grapefruit.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16579728

Its interesting findings are worth publishing ( IMHO)

There was also a significant reduction in 2-hour post-glucose insulin level in the grapefruit group compared with placebo. Half of a fresh grapefruit eaten before meals was associated with significant weight loss. In metabolic syndrome patients the effect was also seen with grapefruit products. Insulin resistance was improved with fresh grapefruit.

I am not doing any Metformin but lots of exercise & good diet. I am going to add this to my diet. For folks who are taking drugs like statins, this, I believe may be off limits. So check with your doctor before starting to add grapefruit

OTOH, I am confident that none of us need to checkup about consuming water though

http://time.com/4011532/water-weight-loss/

So here I am raising my glass of water to better health to us all!

I can't have grapefruit for 2 reasons. 1. I am on statins. 2. I am not allowed any citrus fruit as I have recently been diagnosed with gastritis /Reflux. So my dietary requirements are very confusing at present. Been told stodgy diet (not helpful with type 2 diabetes and trying to lose weight). Eat milky puddings again not helpful with t2. No fresh fruit. Have appointment on 7the April with dietitian. Fingers crossed we can come up with a plan that covers both conditions and help lose weight.

 

[Kyi]

I can't have grapefruit for 2 reasons. 1. I am on statins. 2. I am not allowed any citrus fruit as I have recently been diagnosed with gastritis /Reflux. So my dietary requirements are very confusing at present. Been told stodgy diet (not helpful with type 2 diabetes and trying to lose weight). Eat milky puddings again not helpful with t2. No fresh fruit. Have appointment on 7the April with dietitian. Fingers crossed we can come up with a plan that covers both conditions and help lose weight.

Egg custard is a milky pudding. Try making it with almond milk or coconut milk for a low carb version

 

[Kyi]

surely the real test is more like ...I have no symptoms of diabetes and I eat to maintain that healthy blood glucose level. If I were to revert to a diet that raises my blood glucose levels my body may or may not be able to cope with that but why would I want to do that? If I am drugs free with a condition controlled by diet and exercise (in my case diet) I don't care if I am "cured" because the problems caused by my condition don't have an impact on my life. My previous ways of eating and drinking contributed to the causation of this condition so I avoid those ways of eating and drinking.
Sorry if that's a bit complicated.

Being "cured" suggests you can go back to eating what you like and the insulin takes control of the blood glucose. When in fact if you are eating and drinking the low carb way you are simply in remission. You are suppressing the diabetes. The 2 are very different. This is why I wondered are they in remission or have they been cured. Your higher carb diet might not have been the reason why you are diabetic. It could simply be you are obese and your insulin was struggling to get into your cells to remove the sugars. If you have lost the weight and the insulin is now working why would you want to continue to watch everything you eat? Its the chicken and the egg problem are we diabetic because we are over weight or over weight because we are diabetic? Most diabetics who claim they are cured do not know if they are cured because they dont want to risk being back on medication. No right answers that can be proved either way until someone takes the risks.

 

[DavidGrahamJones]

I mentioned on the Dr Moseley 8 week diet thread, if, without meds, you can eat 250 gms of carbohydrate every day (average human intake is between 250 and 300) and your BG behaves, then you probably are not diabetic. NB the word probably.