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I'm still reeling from being told by a doctor that 5% dextrose drip is good for a dehydrated diabetic: on the grounds it's "only water".
so I did my sums.
i] One mole of glucose weighs 180grams.
ii] One millimole of glucose weighs 0.18grams
iii] the total blood volume of an adult human is about 5 litres usually a bit less [depending on body mass.]
iv] multiplying up: the total amount of glucose circulating in the body when bg is 5mmol/l is about 5 x 0.18 x 5 = 4.5grams.
v] 1 litre contains 10 x 100 ml of solution
vi] 1% solution contains 1 gram solute [glucose?] per 100ml solution.
vii] 1 litre 1% solution contains 10 grams solute
viii] 1litre 5% solution contains 50g solute.
ergo
ix] 1litre 5% glucose solution drip delivers 50 grams of glucose to a person who can't process it and should have about 5 grams glucose in total blood volume.
Why 5% solution?
If the liquid that blood cells are in has a very different osmotic potential from the cell contents, the cells will either burst or shrivel. Remember demonstrations of osmosis at school? potato chips in different concentrations of salt solution?[plant cells don't burst, animal cells do]
5% dextrose has a similar osmotic potential to normal cell contents. Pure water would burst blood cells and a more concentrated glucose solution would shrivel them.
People who are not diabetic, would rapidly transport the excess glucose into cells. Diabetics CANNOT.
Heavens preserve me from doctors who don't remember year 10 chemistry.
Hana
 
If I was In hospital dehydrated I think that would be the least of my concerns, yet alone make my head hurt. Serious dehydration can be very dangerous, diabetic or not. doesnt it cause the body to loose vital minerals and substances, one of which sugar, which your brain needs. Yes your body can produce sugar but don't think it would under these circumstances, I would take the drip.

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brett said:
doesnt it cause the body to loose vital minerals and substances, one of which sugar, which your brain needs.


Yes thats correct Brett, which is why a diabetic would be put on a dextrose drip if seriously dehydrated, I was put on a dextrose and insulin IV drip when I was diagnosed diabetic, the amount of insulin was closley monitored and reduced as my bg levels reduced.


It is standard practice to balance one with the other for a diabetic Hana :D
 
Sorry Brett, but I'm with Hana on this one. I wouldn't want the 5% glucose, perhaps a saline type solution with the correct osmotic pressure.
 
Having a 10 x concentration of glucose in your blood would not hydrate you, it would do the opposite as your kidneys washed the excess out. Normally the kidneys would recover the water, but when overburdenned with glucose, they can't.
All systems work in an integrated fashion. High blood glucose is often the reason that diabetics get dehydrated in the first place.
The protocol of using a dextrose drip along side IV insulin is called the "Sliding Scale". It works very well with unconscious patients in the intensive care environment. It's not quite so efficatious in conscious ambulatory patients.
5% dextrose definitely makes things worse, especially if not accompanied by insulin.
Hana
 
Apologies if I'm missing something as I'm not at all medicaly trained or scientific. But, if someone was severely dehydrated wouldn't on occasion that cause the body to loose the sugar in their body and cause the body to not be able to replace that sugar on its own quick enough, which could in effect lead to a severe hypo from the brain not having enough sugar supplied. Diabetic or not.

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If I was that ill that I needed to be on a drip, I wouldn't be overly concerned about 50g of carbs.
 
I agree with brett and mo sometimes other health issues have to take president and once well again diabetes can be controlled and possibly easier to do so with a clean bill of health

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hanadr said:
5% dextrose definitely makes things worse,
Hana

What you seem to be forgetting Hana is that an IV is administered over several hours or longer and it doesnt fill the blood up with dextrose, it helps to rehydrate and keep one hydrated.

If I ever find myself dehydrated and in hospital again I think I will go with the doctors advice thanks :)
 
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