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Jo_the_boat

Jo_the_boat

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I am investigating (pretty loosely) veganism. I'm trying to find a ways to avoid it!
It's mostly because I love meat. Lamb, ham, beef, turkey and pork over the holiday. Mmmm.
I don't have many teeth left but those I do, I'd like to employ omnivorically. (Is that a word?)
I think I'm winning the 'don't go vegan' battle.
I'm very low carb and I've cut out so many things I previously enjoyed (I used to be a baker for goodness sake).
If I cut out meat it really would be too restricting. Would I be healthier? Perhaps but not necessarily. Would I be happier? No.
My browsing led me to this site, or blog (or whatever you call it).
They seem to have a good grasp of things and explains clearly what's what.
http://www.elsaswholesomelife.com/home/2018/8/11/vegan-keto-experiment-part-1

The first part is about keto / low carb and I was a bit reluctant to reach the low carb / vegan section. But I did reach it and was delighted to see right at the start:
Ok, So what about vegan-keto?!
So I know what you are probably thinking... How on earth could you do this as a vegan?
Short answer... WITH GREAT DIFFICULTY.

That was enough, time for bacon and eggs!!
Happy New year
 
Had a cheese egg omelette and bacon this am.... so it was bacon, eggs and cheese for me. And coffee of course!
 
Jo_the_boat said:
I am investigating (pretty loosely) veganism. I'm trying to find a ways to avoid it!
It's mostly because I love meat. Lamb, ham, beef, turkey and pork over the holiday. Mmmm.
I don't have many teeth left but those I do, I'd like to employ omnivorically. (Is that a word?)
I think I'm winning the 'don't go vegan' battle.
I'm very low carb and I've cut out so many things I previously enjoyed (I used to be a baker for goodness sake).
If I cut out meat it really would be too restricting. Would I be healthier? Perhaps but not necessarily. Would I be happier? No.
My browsing led me to this site, or blog (or whatever you call it).
They seem to have a good grasp of things and explains clearly what's what.
http://www.elsaswholesomelife.com/home/2018/8/11/vegan-keto-experiment-part-1

The first part is about keto / low carb and I was a bit reluctant to reach the low carb / vegan section. But I did reach it and was delighted to see right at the start:
Ok, So what about vegan-keto?!
So I know what you are probably thinking... How on earth could you do this as a vegan?
Short answer... WITH GREAT DIFFICULTY.

That was enough, time for bacon and eggs!!
Happy New year
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Well if that guy wins his case in court and Veganism becomes a recognised religion then then maybe we can stop talking about it as we don't discuss religion or politics here normally, do we?
 
I can understand people becoming Vegan because of concern for domestic (but not wild) animals. If they cared for wildlife they might think twice about all those killed by standard crop growing practices.
Or because of (mis-informed) concern for the planet. - The figures quoted for resources used for meat production are based upon the very worst e.g. 'factory farmed chickens and feed-lot beef' - rather than best practice.

However it is indisputable that veganism requires dietary supplements and even then is very hard to practice while maintaining one's health - hence notable prior vegans switching to include at least fish in their diet.
So yes, I think that veganism is a religion, because a religion requires faith in the face of a complete lack of evidence!
 
There is an interesting youtuber who did a 180 going from a vegan to a purely carnivore diet, her story is fascinating -
what I also find fascinating is that out of all foods, meat doesnt cause any inflammatory reaction... (look up low fodmap diets).
 
JohnEGreen said:
Well if that guy wins his case in court and Veganism becomes a recognised religion then then maybe we can stop talking about it as we don't discuss religion or politics here normally, do we?
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He won his law suit so if you say anything against Veganism from now on it could be construed as a hate crime.

"The term 'hate crime' can be used to describe a range of criminal behaviour where the perpetrator is motivated by hostility or demonstrates hostility towards the victim's disability, race, religion, sexual orientation or transgender identity.
These aspects of a person's identity are known as 'protected characteristics'. A hate crime can include verbal abuse, intimidation, threats, harassment, assault and bullying, as well as damage to property. The perpetrator can also be a friend, carer or acquaintance who exploits their relationship with the victim for financial gain or some other criminal purpose."
 
I understand the ruling is simply that ethical veganism - not the vegan diet - is accepted in this case as a "protected belief". This does not mean it's equivalent to a religion. Previous examples of protected beliefs include "Scottish nationalism" and "left-wing democratic socialism". It simply means that an employer can''t sack someone for holding those beliefs. I've always wondered how vegans cope with the fact that all the vegetables we and they eat are grown using fertilizer produced by animals kept for meat and dairy. No animals, no fertilizer, no fertilizer, no crop.
 
All that is required for it to be ethical is for the person to assert that it is therefore no matter the semantics it is a philosophical position and a religious matter and is given protection as such under the law LCHF and other diets are not given that protection this I think will be my last post on this in this or any other forum as I do not debate matters of belief , faith or religion on line as it is unproductive and raises people to anger no matter which side they are on that of course includes politics.
 
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