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Ketone queries

Would that it were " rock solid" if it were I would be thin by now :) but thanks - what is clear to me though, is that for many of us - getting rid of the sugar addiction is the real key and once you have achieved that - all of the other stuff becomes possible because you are no longer plagued by a hug desire to eat at every possible moment .The thing that you characterise as Psychological is to my mind a by product of, a very hard to get rid of, assumption that your weigh gain and lack of willpower regarding food is a symptom of your mental state . I have found the most liberating part of all this has been realising that actually that's not psychological at all, its physiological and as the damage done from the previous intake of rubbish foods starts to go away, so will the things you can achieve through diet start to expand and the idea of ketosis, fasting, very low carb will start to seem like natural developments of an already healthy path rather than something so far away its beyond comprehension. I look back on myself 12 months ago and I am an utterly different person as regards my own personal health than I was then The only thing I really changed was getting the processed foods and sugar out of my life.
Lets all remember - just because we know how to do things dosent mean we always can because life gets in the way at times until it dosent. Psychological and physiological for me can really intertwine depending on where my head is at the time. I agree when the sugar monster is not running your life and hunger is not an issue all of this is way easier and that monster has had a hold on me back and forth most of my life hence T2 13 months now DX'ed but I think longer. I have done low carb ketosis off and on many years lost and gained many lbs. its quite the journey isnt it.
 
Lets all remember - just because we know how to do things dosent mean we always can because life gets in the way at times until it dosent. Psychological and physiological for me can really intertwine depending on where my head is at the time. I agree when the sugar monster is not running your life and hunger is not an issue all of this is way easier and that monster has had a hold on me back and forth most of my life hence T2 13 months now DX'ed but I think longer. I have done low carb ketosis off and on many years lost and gained many lbs. its quite the journey isnt it.

I've lost and gained many me's over my life time. This is the very first time I've done it via low carb ( more fool me ) . I think the thing that has changed for me so far , has been that previously being able to diet was a pure attitude of mind, if I was in the zone I could, if I wasn't I couldn't. Getting back into the zone only really happened when something had gone so badly awry ( ie the next two dress sizes) that suddenly I had some "RESOLVE". The difference today is I have a little angel call the Diabetes, she sits on my shoulder and she means that my resolve reappears every couple of days when I start to slack off , for that I am profoundly grateful. Whilst I have not lost any weight in the last 3 months, I have lost inches off my waist as I have become healthier and for the first time ever my wight is actually sticking within the same range. I still have a tendency to overeat, but when I do it is a conscious choice, not a wild scrabble for the cookie jar.

Good luck !
 
I've lost and gained many me's over my life time. This is the very first time I've done it via low carb ( more fool me ) . I think the thing that has changed for me so far , has been that previously being able to diet was a pure attitude of mind, if I was in the zone I could, if I wasn't I couldn't. Getting back into the zone only really happened when something had gone so badly awry ( ie the next two dress sizes) that suddenly I had some "RESOLVE". The difference today is I have a little angel call the Diabetes, she sits on my shoulder and she means that my resolve reappears every couple of days when I start to slack off , for that I am profoundly grateful. Whilst I have not lost any weight in the last 3 months, I have lost inches off my waist as I have become healthier and for the first time ever my wight is actually sticking within the same range. I still have a tendency to overeat, but when I do it is a conscious choice, not a wild scrabble for the cookie jar.

Good luck !
Pretty much ditto here.
 
Interesting thread, but I am not fully convinced that it is a progressive 1->2->3 process.

From my not so comprehensive reading I think that Ketostix are a blunt instrument and just measure the ketones that your body is throwing away.

Some people may settle into ketosis and their body may balance their blood ketone level to nicely match their ketone consumption so the Ketostix show little or no ketones when there are loads in the blood.

I also thought that the breath analysis was broadly comparable to the blood test (no false positives) but bloody expensive for the accurate kit.

I do note that the breathalyser approach assumes that you are throwing ketones away in your breath, which seems similar to the Ketostix approach at the other end, but it may be that once you have ketones in your blood some are naturally passed through the blood/air barrier in your lungs along with CO2 and stuff.

In my case I am pretty sure that I have been in ketosis since at least January and testing with Ketostix still shows a dark pink between 1.5 and 4 mmol/L so I am throwing away a lot of ketones.

One key part may be the storage of surplus fats from the blood stream. According to a quick search Insulin is the major factor in the storage of fats.

A random link http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/cellular-microscopic/fat-cell2.htm (no guarantee this is accurate) says:



If this is even mainly true it suggests that if your body has insulin resistance then it may fail to keep your blood fat level down in the same way that it fails to keep your BG level down.

Which would be an interesting take on high cholesterol and triglycerides when on LCHF.

I have wondered about this for some time; is there a complaint "fatabetes" which is similar to diabetes but is poor control of blood fat levels?

It would be just my luck if my blood fat control is as broken as my blood glucose control.

I am managing my blood glucose by not eating carbohydrates.

If I can't eat fat either, and too much protein screws your body up, then where do I go for my calories?

I agree that my post about the 1,2,3 is a drastic oversimplification from an utter novie, though at present after a few days of very low blood sugar readings and low calories I am not finding ketones in urine or blood but still ketones in breath - no clue what that means !

On the lipids front, you might be interested in this group - who are looking at high trigs etc as " hyper responders" whilst being performance athletes. its not a problem.e I have had to deal with but some interesting comments about LCHF and high cholesterol.

http://cholesterolcode.com/are-you-a-lean-mass-hyper-responder/
 
I agree that my post about the 1,2,3 is a drastic oversimplification from an utter novie, though at present after a few days of very low blood sugar readings and low calories I am not finding ketones in urine or blood but still ketones in breath - no clue what that means !

On the lipids front, you might be interested in this group - who are looking at high trigs etc as " hyper responders" whilst being performance athletes. its not a problem.e I have had to deal with but some interesting comments about LCHF and high cholesterol.

http://cholesterolcode.com/are-you-a-lean-mass-hyper-responder/
May it be some med you are taking OTC anything , Aspirin , advil etc... , low calorie dosent always mean low carb .
 
May it be some med you are taking OTC anything , Aspirin , advil etc... , low calorie dosent always mean low carb .

It can't be that as I'm on no medications at all . This morning despite me being in ketosis for weeks after a day of only 800 calories but a 5 km jog, and a half mile swim my blood ketones measure only 0.3 , nothing in urine, but show an increase to 13.4 using the ketonix breathmeter. I have seen suggestions that blood ketones may well respond the same way as urine ketones do by decreasing over time eventually - at the moment that seems to be true for me.
 
Blood ketones is the best measurement, there is no benefit getting a higher number, the benefit comes from ketones being present for most of the time. Having ketones shows that our body is in a "mode" when it can burn fat, but it does not tell us if the fat is coming from what we eat or our bodies own stores.

A higher level of ketones could just be showing that someone's body is not yet fully used to burning fat etc, as the body will try to convert fat into ketones at the rate it uses the ketones.
 
I agree that my post about the 1,2,3 is a drastic oversimplification from an utter novie, though at present after a few days of very low blood sugar readings and low calories I am not finding ketones in urine or blood but still ketones in breath - no clue what that means !

On the lipids front, you might be interested in this group - who are looking at high trigs etc as " hyper responders" whilst being performance athletes. its not a problem.e I have had to deal with but some interesting comments about LCHF and high cholesterol.

http://cholesterolcode.com/are-you-a-lean-mass-hyper-responder/

I've looked at that before but a lot has been added in the last few days.

I need to go through it again but I think one part of the theory is that because a lot of fat is being burned for energy the body is learning not to store it in the fat cells then bring it out again, but to run higher levels in the blood.

I'm not sure what the mechanism is that keeps the blood fat levels higher but fat storage usually involves insulin.
 
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