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Letter from GP

tracytrue

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Hi , i received a letter yesterday regrading test strips , the bit what concerns me more is as followed
The local guidelines for Diabetics suggests that those patients using insulin
> should test their own blood glucose between 2 & 3 times a week . One the day of
> testing it is important to test twice but some patients may be asked by the
> diabetic nurse to test 4 times a day check with ur surgery what you need to be
> doing if you are not sure .This would mean that you do not need to order more
> than 6 packs of testing strips in a year (13 if you are testing 4 times a day )

What a pile of **** , my son is six years old . I test him 5 times a day , more if im unsure . I have an appointment to see the GP Tuesday , the receptionist said the doctor might think im over testing . I think this has something to do with the fact that i ordered 200 last week , due to the fact we are going on holiday . I need to supply school with test strips , i need test strips for home . What do they expect me to do when ill , still only check 4 times a day . What a joke .
 
Hi Tracy,first of all explain to the surgery that you are going on holiday and that is why you ordered extra.I suspect that the computer system automatically flagged up that you where ordering more than normal.Go and talk to them .I'm amazed that they say to a type 1 to only test two -three times a week!!I'm not a type 1 but from all I have read on the forum type 1's have to test several times daily to avoid hypos etc.
 
Hi Tracy,

This has got to be absolute rubbish, your GP's surgery is obviously trying to cut costs. I think you need to get your Diabetes Specialists nurse to phone or fax the surgery to tell them that you need to test your son 4-6+ times a day every day, more when he is ill, as you say. They really have to do as they are told by the Consultant, it isn't up to them. It could never be 'best practice' only to test a few times a week, they must either be completely out of touch or trying to 'pull a fast one' on you :shock: !

I routinely order strips in lots of 200 for my daughters, and have never been questioned about it or told to test less often. Get the hospital to sort it out for you, that's my advice. And please let us know how you get on! I get so mad when I hear things like this!
Sue
 
I know this is not really relevant to you, but I am sure I read in the past that DVLA recommend insulin users test before driving to ensure they are not hypo ?
I realise that this is not much use to your situation, but might be worth others checking it out in case this becomes a more common practice amongst GP's :)
 
Thanks for replys . Are DSN is away on annual leave until the 23rd of march , the same day we go away on holiday . Tryed ringing her & this is the first time answer phone not turned on . Sent her an email , found email address on holiday letter she sent us . Anyway will have to wait & see what happens at the doctors Tuesday .
 
Hi again,
If you get no joy at the doctor's, you could try ringing your son's consultant's secretary and tell her/him the problem and see if s/he can arrange for a fax to be sent from the consultant to the surgery. Just a thought......
Sue
 
Hi , just letting you no saw the doctor & he said no need to worry . The PCT had set these guidelines & there is exceptions children etc ... told me if i do get any problems to go & see him . Worryin over . Oh apart from son hes got tonsillitis ,,,, theres always something :shock:
 
tracytrue said:
Hi , just letting you no saw the doctor & he said no need to worry . The PCT had set these guidelines & there is exceptions children etc ... told me if i do get any problems to go & see him . Worryin over . Oh apart from son hes got tonsillitis ,,,, theres always something :shock:

Excellent doctor!

Sorry about the tonsillitis, hopefully the weather will help him get over it
 
This matter of testing is really starting to annoy me. I wish that I was more of an organiser as I am sure that as a group we could influence this - such as a protest at NICE etc. What is the stance of the ofiicial Diabetes UK as I have been contributing for 5 years now including filling the annual collection boxes - are they actively campaigning for unlimited strips? My letter to my MP produced no worthwhile result just a reply saying that he would find the local PCT policy then nothing since. Can anyone think of something worthwhile that we could do?
 
Hi gbtyke

We could start with someone more eloquent than I drafting an e- petition to the PM ? http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ You never know, someone might like to get involved, perhaps some of our Diabetic MP's and Lords ?

I sometimes wonder if it's cause and effect here. If the Drug Companies didn't charge so much for the test strips etc ( i.e. £15 for a tub of 50 strips) and only charged a cost effective amount then maybe the PCT's wouldn't be so **** picky about letting us all have the strips !

Perhaps we as a group should not only be lobbying the PCT's via a campaign, but also highlighting to the Press etc the exorbitant costs by Drugs Companies for these items. Testing is part of the control we need, this in itself would surely reduce NHS costs overall ? A campaign against the Drug Companies could well be the best place to start ?

Then again - Pigs and Aeroplanes come to mind !!!!

Ken
 
I am in Spain at the moment and just been for a long walk on the beach - only me in view and about 3 miles of sand blue skies with snow on the mountain tops behind me. Anyway that is the exact first step that occurred to me on my walk and will obviously need someone with legalspeak and able to cut through the accusations that I would include. I think that it would need to include initial testing regimes for type 2's instead of discouragement. If the NHS has buyers similar to the comanies that I worked for then surely they could negotiate to standardise on one meter with reasonably priced strips. I see that Diabetes UK are arranging free meters but then you are on your own with the strips.
 
[quote="gbtyke"

Anyway that is the exact first step that occurred to me on my walk and will obviously need someone with legalspeak and able to cut through the accusations that I would include.

I don't know about anyone else - the name Dennis ? somehow comes to mind ???
 
Diabetes U.K. are the ones who have the clout as far as diabetics are concerned.
They made a few rumbling when the matter of test strips being denied to Type 2's was first aired but did not persue it. They are still advocating that we need to eat plenty of carbs so I wont hold my breath about them getting involved on our behalf. Their views seem to be the only ones that the Government pay lip service to. If they were persuaded to change then we might get somewhere.
It is like everything else, very few diabetics who are still getting test strips see this issue as their problem. It is only when it becomes the norm for all P.C.T's to stop prescribing them will there be an uproar.
We need the involvement of newspapers regardless of how we view them. If every newspaper carried the story of how diabetics are expected to manage their condition without being provided with the necessary tools then we may get noticed. They have carried stories about our gluttony for long enough.
My thoughts, not necessarily everyone elses.

Catherine.
 
Hi Catherine

I agree with every word, the post code lottery of test strips is lamentable. Diabetes U. K. works to an agenda that is beyond my understanding. But as its a lovely spring day and the weekend is coming up I will say no more.

Have a great weekend everyone.

Fenster
 
Catherine.
i agree with most of your comments and I too think that Diabetes UK needs to take more note of what WE want and change the policy on many things.
Quote : We need the involvement of newspapers regardless of how we view them. If every newspaper carried the story of how diabetics are expected to manage their condition without being provided with the necessary tools then we may get noticed. They have carried stories about our gluttony for long enough.
I fully agree with that sentiment. Many issues have been raised on the e-petition site and have even had success in changing policy and laws. I think it is a valid medium to try and get the Press involved as they always seem to want a story to beat the Government of the day over the head with !

I don't have a problem getting strips etc in my area. However, I do think it is a problem which needs to be addressed. I cannot bury my head in the sand just because it doesn't affect me and just sit back because - 'I'm all right.' Even if an e-petition achieves little - we might see just what the strength of feeling is here about this subject.

To do nothing - is to give up ! Not my mantra.
 
There has already been a petition on the Number 10 petitions site about availability of test strips in response to a news story that intimated that NICE were going to change their recommendations regarding Self Monitoring of Blood Glucose (SMBG), the response was typical spin where Government said that it was a clinical decision and therefore nothing to do with Government.

NICE recommendations on SMBG are quite clear and there needs to be a lot more pressure from patients and patient organisations like DUK on individual PCTs to ensure that NICE recommendations are met.

I hate to bang on about the Diabetes NSF, but its still five years in and the variability in support for people with diabetes across SHAs and PCTs is still shockingly apparent and there was at least one early day motion in the last session of Parliament that bemoaned that fact.

DUKs position on SMBG is very clearly defined here. As I understand it DUK support the NDSTs recommendations on SMBG for type 2s which I tried to explain in this thread

Ann Keen, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State at the Department of Health, has said in response to a letter I wrote last year that

Any PCT which is automatically discouraging the prescription of blood glucose testing strips is not acting in according with NICE's advice that self-monitoring may prove useful to people in their overall approach to self-care.

I think the argument for SMBG for type 1s and for those type 2s on sulfonylureas is very clearly understood by clinicians, the danger to the patient when hypoglycaemic is a very compelling argument.

However, I think DIGEM clearly demonstrates that clinicians don't really understand how people with diabetes can use SMBG when making lifestyle choices about diet and exercise. There was a session at the recent DUK conference in Glasgow discussing the evidence for and against SMBG for type 2s - I did volunteer to go along and give a five minute overview of how SMBG has helped me get my BG under better control and therefore helped my practice meet one of its targets - unfortunately I am not a healthcare professional and might have come under the sway of any number of medical sales representatives and done untold harm to myself and was therefore not allowed to make the presentation I wanted to.

Finally, there are ways to apply pressure, I have recently joined my Local Involvement Network (Direct.Gov's explanation here)- one the roles of which is to ensure that health and social care provision meet the community's needs, and although it is a voluntary body it has statutory powers under the Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Act 2007.

Quite clearly we as patients have responsibility to make best use of SMBG, there is at least one story on this site of one person buying test strips across ebay from a patient who had been prescribed them - clearly not the best way to convince clinicians that we are making best use of the tools that they reluctantly make available to us.

I've made a point in another thread about Shared Decision Making (SDM), it's all about patients being given enough information to make decisions about their treatment that will suit their lifestyle, rather than having treatment foisted upon them by those suffering from a God complex, I really do view SMBG as being a decision aid that allows me to decide treatment options for my condition on a daily basis. There have already been two trials of SDM in England, one in Cambs led by Dr. Mary Archer (Urology Informed Decision Making project) and another led by Dr. Steve Laitner (Informed Decision Making for osteoarthritis of the knee). Politically speaking we've been led to believe that the choice agenda is all about getting treatment when we want it where we want it, the fact that we should be able to influence what treatment we receive has been slightly obfuscated (and I wouldn't necessarily say that the obfuscation has been deliberate). There is a whole host of evidence out there that demonstrates that SDM leads to better outcomes, we just to need to rob some of our health care team members of their deity complexes :roll:


One final thing I would like to point out is Information Prescriptions, this is a little known facility, where we can get information about our condition and the treatment we should expect to receive from the NHS as well as the facilities in our area that can help us manage our condition. One of the Long Term Conditions where the facility is available is diabetes. I would argue that the dietary information needs to be more encompassing, however that is a long uphill battle we still have to fight.
 
I don't have a problem with getting test strips either.
I have always beaten the drum about test strips being provided for everyone and if you look through my posts you will see that it is a big concern for me. I want all diabetics to have the level of care that I am provided with. Sadly the "I'm alright Jack" mantra is alive and kicking.

Wouldn't it be great if we actually acheived our goal with this one.

Catherine.
 
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